Would Jesus go to Church?

[redd]

Geez TB, this seems to be more about you than anything else.

I mean no disrespect but....

You seem to want to digress and argue about everything.

You didn't even look up the one passage I quoted before you came back with an answer refuting my point. (It's from Romans chapter 2)

This kind of posturing and defensiveness is getting tiring for me too.

I don't usually reply to the religious threads because they always seem to breakdown to polarized arguing, which definitely does not promote the things of God, in fact it says a lot more about the poster who let's it get to that level.

There must be a reason you do this, TimeBuilder, and it is not promoting the gospel. Your intentions I'm sure are good, although a forum like this to do endless debates might not be the wisest move, a ban of any religious thoughts may come into effect as a result because of the strife they engender.

This kind of argueing gives God a bad name, especially to ones you say you're trying to reach. Think about it. Although I think this post will be ignored and bulldozed under as the rest have been. I would be happy to debate this with you, personally, on the PM system if you wish.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

it is not promoting the gospel. Your intentions I'm sure are good, although a forum like this to do endless debates might not be the wisest move, a ban of any religious thoughts may come into effect as a result because of the strife they engender.

This kind of argueing gives God a bad name, especially to ones you say you're trying to reach.

Yep. He just can't see it though. And anyone who might be sitting on the fence is pushed the other way.

 

[wms]

Christianity is a religion. That's not good or bad or anything else. It is just the way the english speaking world defines the word.

The world defines Christianity as a religion, not the Bible. The only religion in the Bible instituted by God is Judaism. Christians were called such in the Bible because of faith in Christ, not because a christian religion was established by Jesus. That was done by men afterwards without the authorization of God or the instruction of the Bible. Therefore, there is no credibility for a "christian religion". The credibility is within the Bible itself for the believer to gather around the person of Christ, "for where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them", Matt 18:20. That is why I as a believer don't have authority to establish credibility, I can only point to the sole credible source of Christianity, Christ Himself and the teachings of the apostles doctrine as given in the Bible, Acts 2:41 & 42. When men start claiming credibility, they assume an authority they don't have and false christian doctrines which remove Christ from the center are established.

 

[Typhoon1244]

...a ban of any religious thoughts may come into effect as a result because of the strife they engender.

A good point. I can't think of a single issue that has caused more argument and bloodshed throughout history than religion.

Maybe the human race will grow up someday...I sort of doubt it, though.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

The world defines Christianity as a religion, not the Bible. The only religion in the Bible instituted by God is Judaism. Christians were called such in the Bible because of faith in Christ, not because a christian religion was established by Jesus. That was done by men afterwards without the authorization of God or the instruction of the Bible. Therefore, there is no credibility for a "christian religion". The credibility is within the Bible itself for the believer to gather around the person of Christ, "for where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them", Matt 18:20. That is why I as a believer don't have authority to establish credibility, I can only point to the sole credible source of Christianity, Christ Himself and the teachings of the apostles doctrine as given in the Bible, Acts 2:41 & 42. When men start claiming credibility, they assume an authority they don't have and false christian doctrines which remove Christ from the center are established.

Okay, so in all that blather, I am just wondering if you are still trying to say that christianity is not a religion.

 

[wms]

I'll make it as simple as I can. The Bible does not define Christianity as a religion, so I don't either. The rest of the world can think what they want.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I'll make it as simple as I can. The Bible does not define Christianity as a religion, so I don't either. The rest of the world can think what they want.

I think you can make it simpler. Yes or no. Is christianity a religion?

 

[wms]

No.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

No.

This is why nobody is listening to you.

 

[wms]

That's OK. Matt 10:14 & 15.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Yes or no. Is christianity a religion?

Originally posted by wms
No.

What?

Sorry, w, but I gotta go with Hugh on this one: that's the most grotesque denial of reality I've read in a long time.

If Christianity isn't a religion, then what is it?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

That's OK. Matt 10:14 & 15.

and he calls an audible.... blue, 45, blue 45, hut 1, hut 2!

 

[Timebuilder]

Geez TB, this seems to be more about you than anything else.

I mean no disrespect but....

You seem to want to digress and argue about everything.

You didn't even look up the one passage I quoted before you came back with an answer refuting my point. (It's from Romans chapter 2)

This kind of posturing and defensiveness is getting tiring for me too.

I don't usually reply to the religious threads because they always seem to breakdown to polarized arguing, which definitely does not promote the things of God, in fact it says a lot more about the poster who let's it get to that level.

There must be a reason you do this, TimeBuilder, and it is not promoting the gospel. Your intentions I'm sure are good, although a forum like this to do endless debates might not be the wisest move, a ban of any religious thoughts may come into effect as a result because of the strife they engender.

This kind of argueing gives God a bad name, especially to ones you say you're trying to reach. Think about it. Although I think this post will be ignored and bulldozed under as the rest have been. I would be happy to debate this with you, personally, on the PM system if you wish.

I'm not interested in any debate about me. In over 4,000 posts, the members here know my background as a broadcaster, a writer, a liberal, and a sinner.

I'm still a sinner.

Why am I doing this? People either

1)Have questions

or

2)Make comments.

So, you and I are free is disagree about whether I should stop sharing the tuth. I'm not sharing me, just the Bible.

If you'd like my view of a scriptural passage, feel free to post it. You might have mentioned a passage, but did it support your contention?

Remember some of the most important points to be shared:

1) the authenticity of the Bible as the word of God, 2Tim 3:16-17

2) The Great Commisssion of Matthew 28

3) 1Peter 3:15 ......Should I speak up?

4) John 3:16

5) John 14:6

That's the short list. So, when someone decides to bait Christians a little, they don't get meaness or resentment, they get the truth, bare and unvarnished, right from the Bible.

As far as Romans 2 is concerned, was this the passage you wanted to mention?

"4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?'

I know that I don't despise His goodness, and I hope to answer as many questions as are asked to help lead to repentance for the unsaved.

To the best of my knowlege, I have yet to start a thread about Jesus or the Bible. I merely take the lead set by others. Something inside them, a question, a rage, a curiosity, or any number of things makes people post these comments.

As far as what gives God a bad name? I'd say child molesting priests have topped that list for a while now.

 

[Timebuilder]

If Christianity isn't a religion, then what is it?

I believe that religion is what people do instead of following God's teaching, from His word.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I believe that religion is what people do instead of following God's teaching, from His word.

So TB, are you also trying to tell me Christianity is not a religion?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

As far as what gives God a bad name? I'd say child molesting priests have topped that list for a while now.

Televangelists thieving money from those who need it most are probably a close second. Redd didn't say you necessarily topped the list, but he's right, you're on the list.

 

[Timebuilder]

Yep.

My church says "a Bible church" under the name of the township.

If you see a name like "first church of Christ" or "church of the apostles" or some other name that suggests involvement under a "religious" affiliation, then you probably won't find me there.

Some Bible churches have names like "Calvary Chapel," but I must point out that a "name" isn't the way you sort these ideas out.

You ask for and read their doctrinal statement. That details what they believe, and why. Then you know if you should stay for the teaching.

A "religion" usually has non-Biblical things added to it, and ignores some things that the Bible makes clear are still important.

Just ask the "religious" people that now have a gay "bishop."

 

[Timebuilder]

Redd didn't say you necessarily topped the list, but he's right, you're on the list.

I have a clue for both of you.

As sinners we are ALL on the list.

The question is: what do we do about it? The Bible has that answer.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

So... for the record. Yes or no, TB. Is Christianity a religion?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I have a clue for both of you.

As sinners we are ALL on the list.

We all give God a bad name?