Worst President in History?!?

[TonyC]

Comment reserved for a time when I have gotten more than 3 hours of sleep. Rest assured however, comment is coming.

Pilotman:

I considered another exchange with AeroBoy, but realize the futility. It reminds me of a discussion with a 3-year-old:

"Why?"

"Beca-a--a-ause"

"But because why?"

"Just beca-a-a-use"

"Didn't you know it was wrong to hit Jimmy?

"Uh-huh."

"Then why did you hit him?"

"Beca-a-a-a-use"

It's a method that was taught in USAF Survival school to deal with interrogators. It doesn't matter whether the answer makes sense or can be defended by logic, so long as you can consistently stick to it. That's what Aeroboy is doing. No preponderance of evidence or logic will persuade him differently.

If you can't even agree on the definition and usage of a simple word, how can you be expected to understand global politics? Just leave him to write his monthly feature in Highlights Magazine.

 

[wingnutt]

Just leave him to write his monthly feature in Highlights Magazine.

holy crap...is that even in publication anymore???

 

[Benhuntn]

worst pres

JIMMY (BIG GRIN) CARTER

He stabbed the Shah of Iran in the back and left him out to dry. Iran was taken over by the fanatics and the rest is history.

 

[DC4boy]

Extensive background checks: Requires man extra man power.

The CIA $ FBI: Throughout the course of the Clinton Admin, these two beureaus(sp?) reached all time lows in both funding and man power. Thanks Bill!

Exstensive background checks on evreyone entering the country.
Boy, the ACLU will have a field day with that..............

Borders, language,and colture............

 

[AeroBoy]

dc4boy--Have you been living under a rock? We're already running background checks and fingerprinting foreigners entering our country now. And why would the ACLU care about our government doing these background checks on non-U.S. citizens? After all, foreigners have limited rights when abroad.

Tony C--Well, since you can rebut my comments with any kind of fact(s), you just chalk it up to reasoning with a three-year-old kid. I don't think that many who read this board buy that BS. And add even more character assasination on top of that (the "Highlights" magazine comment)? Well I find that to be pretty low. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Then again, this type of behavior is fairly common among hardline Republicans, or should I say "compassionate conservatives."

You can all now go back to watching the Fox News Network now...

 

[TonyC]

Tony C--Well, since you can rebut my comments with any kind of fact(s), you just chalk it up to reasoning with a three-year-old kid. I don't think that many who read this board buy that BS. And add even more character assasination on top of that (the "Highlights" magazine comment)? Well I find that to be pretty low. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Then again, this type of behavior is fairly common among hardline Republicans, or should I say "compassionate conservatives."

You can all now go back to watching the Fox News Network now...

You're so caught up in defending your misuse of the word "harbor" that you've failed to notice that my comments to you have pertained solely to that event, and have in no way reflected ANY political persuasion or favoritism towards any particular TV network. If you'd wake up and look, there are a few facts close enough to your face that you might actually bump your nose on them. You're so entrenched in your own opinion that you appear unable to be bothered with facts.

So, any criticism that I have of you, and I'm accumulating more with each of your posts, is strictly centered on your abuse of our language. Even the Highlights comment is targeted at your inferior language skills. If you knew what real "character assasination" [sic] was, you'd realize that. Don't expect me to explain that term, either. In retrospect, I realize that I should NOT have used "preposterous" in a previous post - - you probably think that's a good thing.

character assassinationnoun
: the slandering of a person usually with the intention of destroying public confidence in that person

1 slan·der transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): slan·dered; slan·der·ing /-d(&-)ri[ng]/
: to utter slander against : DEFAME
synonym see MALIGN
- slan·der·er /-d&r-&r/ noun

2 slander noun
Etymology: Middle English sclaundre, slaundre, from Old French esclandre, from Late Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense -- more at SCANDAL
1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person -- compare LIBEL
- slan·der·ous /-d(&-)r&s/ adjective
- slan·der·ous·ly adverb
- slan·der·ous·ness noun

Finally, and I do mean finally...

The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search box to the right.

Suggestions for assasination:

1. assassination
2. assassinations
3. assignation
4. assassinator
5. assentations
6. assentation
7. ozonization
8. acetylation
9. assignations
10. essentialness

I have impeached your ability to comprehend and use the English language properly, and you have failed to contradict that accusation with a proper understanding of high-school level words. Your level appears to be that of the young children that read Highlights Magazine (yes, it's still in print, and it's on the web). At no point have I impeached your character, and at no point have I made personal attacks. Furthermore, I have stated nothing about you that is factually incorrect or that misrepresents your abilities. By at least two accounts, then, I have not committed character assassination - - but I CAN spell it.

 

[AeroBoy]

Two words: anger management. Look that up in your dictionary.

And another thing: if you're going to be the grammar police, then why didn't you beat dc4boy over the head about "colture?" I simply overlooked his misspelling and addressed the content of his message (it was clear what he meant). I've chosen the high road, and you and I (and the rest of the Web board) know what road you've chosen. Don't hide behind the grammar police badge--you were indeed attacking me personally, otherwise you would have been all over dc4boy, too. And in print, that's libel, not slander.

You can go back to reading Highlights now--so sorry for interrupting your story time.

 

[pilotman2105]

What was that about character attacks, AeroBoy?

You're right Tony. While I could spend a good 15 min putting together a rebuttle post as I had originally planned, I have more important stuff than AeroBoy's nonsense to tend to.

 

[jayme]

It's unfortunate that an important debate has turned into this nonsense.

People are so emotional about whether Bush sucks or rocks that they will not listen to even the most researched and factual arguement.

The next time you read a post on this thread, do me a small favor. Set aside your ideology for just a minute and give the other side the benefit of the doubt - they may just have a point worth taking.

 

[TonyC]

What was that about character attacks, AeroBoy?

You're right Tony. While I could spend a good 15 min putting together a rebuttle post as I had originally planned, I have more important stuff than AeroBoy's nonsense to tend to.

Now if I can just learn to take my own advice...

 

[enigma]

Well lets see. the worst President depends upon how you define " worst". The worst for our country was Woodrow Wilson. Wilson was in power when we instutued the Federal Reserve, when States lost the ability to elect Senators, when the income tax was implemented and other crap that started the US down the road to a loss of sovereignty.

The worst for States rights is obviously Abe Lincoln. Lincoln was a disengenous barstard who could have cared less about slaves. He only cared about his vision of a powerful central government. If he hadn't have been killed he would have probably invented communism. (just my opinion.)_

The worst President for the Office was William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. He disgraced the office. Was anyone aware that Clinton was "entertaining" Monica in the oval office the very day that the Sudanese ambassodor tried to offer OBL to us? Clinton lied under oath and turned laughter to tears at his Commerce Secretaries funeral. The man disgraced the office.

The least effective was probably Jimmy Carter. President Carter was the smarted President, yet he accomplished nothing of value.

The worst President to the concept of limited government was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He instituted most of today's beauracracy.

The all around Worst had to have been Lyndon Baines Johnson. LBJ almost shames my Texan pride. He was the most corrupt, the least effective, a loser in military endevours (Vietnam), the second biggest instigator of big government. He won election in Texas by stuffing ballot boxes and murdering the opposition. He corrupted the US Senate by passing out oil money for bribes. He screwed the citizen with his programs intended to favor his buddies. He was in fact, ruthless. And, he most likely had a pivotal role in the death of JFK.

enigma

BTW, Aeroboy, do you work for the Publisher?

 

[mar]

You fascinate me

Enigma--I would give anything for three hours cozied up to a bar just to pick your brains.

You fascinate me.

 

[enigma]

Re: You fascinate me

Enigma--I would give anything for three hours cozied up to a bar just to pick your brains.

You fascinate me.

Man, I can just feel the luv.........But you're not getting my Bud Light.

I'm honored be be able to have had a thought that is found interesting.

Now, let me in on what interests you, the profundity of my musings, the idiocy of my pronouncements, the humor of my hypocracy, or is it just the confusion brought on by my ability to scatter so many differing thoughts on so many differing subjects.

Honestly, an,
enigma
(to myself and everyone who knows me) ( but most just don't care )

 

[mar]

Enigmatic. That's for sure.

What interests me about you?

Well. You're a thinker. I appreciate that.

I don't always agree with your thoughts (but I did like the one about dropping the speeding violations).

Uhm. Here are some gems that I think I would buy the beer to hear more about:

<<...other crap that started the US down the road to a loss of sovereignty>>

<<If he [Lincoln] hadn't have been killed he would have probably invented communism.>>

<<...he [Johnson] most likely had a pivotal role in the death of JFK.>>

Those alone could last us all night.

Clinton, I have the feeling wouldn't last the first little bowl of stuffed olives. We probably agree too much about that one.

But Carter, I'm afraid we'd have to come back another night to talk about him. I'm not so quick to dismiss the man's value to the citizens of the US. He is, without a doubt, hands down, the *most* productive EX-president in modern history.

I happen to admire the man. Perhaps he's making up for lost time from '76-'80 but he's not easily dismissed.

Anyway. Keep 'em coming. Thought provoking as always.

 

[Snakum]

President Carter was the smarted President, yet he accomplished nothing of value.

I disagree. While his work in the Middle East was not a permanent solution, it was a start, and it was more than anyone else had done.

Minh

(And please, no jokes about Beckwith's Breakdown in the desert being President Carter's Middle East 'work'. President Carter merely gave to go-ahead. Col. Beckwith planned the raid, and equipment malfunction and human error scuttled it. I still maintain it would have worked.)