Worst President in History?!?

[Jedi_Cheese]

My HS best friend has spent about a year and a half in Iraq and Afganistan (combined). In another month or two he will be redeploying for Iraq, Afganistan, or Colombia (hasn't been told yet). He is an Air Force MP that specializes in defending bases in hot zones. Over Christmas, he spun some tales of the "red mist club" and getting plastered in the 'stans for his (belated) birthday.

The reason I support the war in Iraq is because it needed to be done. The only difference between Saddam and Al'Q was that Al'Q had the ability to strike the US and thought they could get away with it. And while what Al'Q was bad enough as it was, Saddam could pull off something 1,000 times worse.

I know how easily it is to get bioweapons and/or chemical weapons because I know lots of people that have worked with the supplies to make them and are pure civilians. You guys all know how bad of a clusterf*ck the TSA is and the goverment agencies that are in charge of stopping people from getting the supplies to make chemical, nuclear, or biological weapons are just as bad.

My $0.02

 

[typhoonpilot]

Stephen Wolf

 

[Snakum]

He is an Air Force MP that specializes in defending bases in hot zones

Sorry ... he's an SP, and the only thing he specializes in is pulling gate guard.



Minh

 

[AeroBoy]

Re: Unsubstantiated Opinions

The facts are:
1-The US was attacked by terrorists
2-Afghanistan, Iraq, and others harbor terrorists
3-The world (and perhaps the US) is a safer without terrorists
4-The US attacked these countries on the basis of ridding them of terrorists

re:1--well, duh?

re:2--Does "others" include the U.S.? Did we not willingly allow the 9/11 terrorists into our country? Did we not willingly "harbor" them until they attacked on 9/11?

re:3--One man's terrorist is another man's "freedom fighter." If Bush had his way, all Americans that are anti-Bush would be labeled as "terrorists." Since he can't do this, he'll just have the IRS audit their tax returns. Welcome to the McCarthy era, part deux.

re:4--I thought we went into Iraq to rid the country of weapons of mass desctruction...err, I mean liberate the people of Iraq? Yeah, that's the ticket...

And whatever we do, "we must stay the course," even if we've f-ed up big time...

 

[Chunk]

Worst president in history

U.S. Grant

 

[B1900DFO]

My big question that never seems to be answered by anybody in the Bush administration. What does the "war on terrorism" and invading Iraq have to do with one another. Contrary to popular wisdom Iraq and 9-11 had nothing to do with each other. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam represent two opposing ideologies and were definintely not collaborating to attack the US. That was Al Queada's agenda not Saddam's. Bin Laden is a fanatical religious zealot and Saddam is a secular dictator. Totally different people with different agendas. Now that we have attacked Iraq and created chaos terrorists are flocking to the country to kill Americans. If we were serious about fighting the war on terrorism we would have focused on Afghanistan and Al queda.

So why did we attack Iraq? Now they say it was just to get rid of a brutal dictator. Is that worth 700 American lives? There are a lot of brutal dictators in the world. Should our country's sons and daughters die liberating these countries too? Now that we are in Iraq we have no choice but to stay, but don't be naieve enough to believe that STARTING that war was part of the war on terror. If we decided to attack Mexico tommorrow I'm sure that terrorists from around the world would head to Mexico to kill American soldiers. That does not mean Mexico is a terrorist country.

 

[JJJ]

Some of you are starting to sound like Andy Rooney.

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: Unsubstantiated Opinions

Did we not willingly allow the 9/11 terrorists into our country? Did we not willingly "harbor" them until they attacked on 9/11?

Yeah. Our customs agents read "TERRORIST" stamped across their passports and said, "Come on in, make yourselves at home. Let us know what we can do to make you more comfortable."

To say that we "harbored" terrorists belies your utter ignorance of vocabulary and reality. Try looking in a dictionary and working on the former deficiency; I don't have much hope for the latter.

 

[Flyin Tony]

Right now I think they will get bin ladin about a week befor the voting starts. I think they know where he is. Just waiting untill a few weeks before the voting starts. Then Bush will get alot of votes. Its going to be my first time voting (18 on the 21). I cant wait. I just hope Howard Stern doesnt get fired because of bush. Hope this doesnt start a flame war

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

Stern got fired last week when the half million dollar fine got put on paper.

 

[AeroBoy]

Re: Re: Re: Unsubstantiated Opinions

Yeah. Our customs agents read "TERRORIST" stamped across their passports...

Actually, all INS had to do was a simple background check before letting these people into our country. Am I asking for too much here??

To say that we "harbored" terrorists belies your utter ignorance of vocabulary and reality. Try looking in a dictionary and working on the former deficiency; I don't have much hope for the latter.

By our government's deficiency in checking people coming into this country, we might as well had a banner up at the airport customs and immigration facilities that said, "Welcome terrorists." I stand by my statement that we willingly let them in (i.e.-"harbored" them), without any real background checks or other scrutiny before letting them through our border. That's a fact, Jack.

When you say that I have "utter ignorance of vocabulary," you couldn't be more wrong. I write and edit stories for a magazine that you probably read religiously every month.

 

[Flyin Tony]

Stern got fired last week when the half million dollar fine got put on paper.

O NO! im voting for the other guy. D@mn Bush and Powell and his son

 

[ArcticFlier]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Unsubstantiated Opinions

Actually, all INS had to do was a simple background check before letting these people into our country. Am I asking for too much here??



By our government's deficiency in checking people coming into this country, we might as well had a banner up at the airport customs and immigration facilities that said, "Welcome terrorists." I stand by my statement that we willingly let them in (i.e.-"harbored" them), without any real background checks or other scrutiny before letting them through our border. That's a fact, Jack.

When you say that I have "utter ignorance of vocabulary," you couldn't be more wrong. I write and edit stories for a magazine that you probably read religiously every month.

Hmmmmmm..........hopefully, you proofread your work at the magazine. You may want to try that here before you hit that pesky 'Submit Reply' button.

AF

 

[Typhoon1244]

And I thought I was picky!

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Unsubstantiated Opinions

I stand by my statement that we willingly let them in (i.e.-"harbored" them), without any real background checks or other scrutiny before letting them through our border. That's a fact, Jack.

When you say that I have "utter ignorance of vocabulary," you couldn't be more wrong. I write and edit stories for a magazine that you probably read religiously every month.

I don't care if you write the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the Zondervan edition of the Holy Bible, harbor does not mean "let them in."

You might feel self-important and all, but that doesn't change the meaning of words. Sorry, you might be used to being able to make stuff up and people believe it because you're so important, but I don't buy into that hogwash. And for your information, there is no magazine that I read religiously.

Harbor means to give shelter or refuge to, or to hold especially persistently in the mind. Afghanistan gave shelter and refuge to terrorists, KNOWING that they were terrorists. Iraq did the same.

Go twist words to some unwary, unlearned idiots - - it doesn't wash around here.