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Woman Dies On American Airlines Flight

Passenger On Flight With Empty Oxygen Tank


POSTED: 11:50 pm EST February 24, 2008
UPDATED: 11:51 pm EST February 24, 2008

NEW YORK -- An American Airlines passenger died
after a flight attendant told her he couldn't give her
any oxygen and then tried to help her with faulty
equipment, including an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.

The airline confirmed the flight death and said
medical professionals had tried to save the
passenger, Carine Desir, who was returning home to
Brooklyn from Haiti.

Desir, who had heart disease, died of natural causes,
medical examiner's office spokeswoman Ellen
Borakove said Sunday.

Desir had complained of not feeling well and being
very thirsty on the Friday flight from Port-au-Prince
after she ate a meal, according to Antonio Oliver, a
cousin who was traveling with her and her brother
Joel Desir. A flight attendant gave her water, he said.

A few minutes later, Desir said she was having
trouble breathing and asked for oxygen, but a flight
attendant twice refused her request, Oliver said
Sunday in a telephone interview.


After the flight attendant refused to administer
oxygen to Desir, she became distressed, pleading,
"Don't let me die," Oliver recalled.

Other passengers aboard Flight 896 became agitated
over the situation, he said, and the flight attendant,
apparently after phone consultation with the cockpit,
tried to administer oxygen from a portable tank and mask, but the tank was empty.


Two doctors and two nurses were aboard and tried
to administer oxygen from a second tank, which also
was empty, Oliver said.

Desir was put on the floor, and a nurse tried CPR, to
no avail, Oliver said. A "box," possibly a defibrillator,
also was applied but didn't function effectively, he
said.


"I cannot believe what is happening on the plane," he
said, sobbing. "She cannot get up, and nothing on
the plane works."

Oliver said he then asked for the plane to "land right
away so I can get her to a hospital," and the pilot
agreed to divert to Miami, 45 minutes away. But
during that time, Desir died, Oliver said. "Her last
words were, 'I cannot breathe,"' he said.

Desir, 44, was pronounced dead by one of the
doctors, Joel Shulkin, and the flight continued to
Kennedy International Airport without stopping in
Miami, with the woman's body moved to the floor of
the first-class section and covered with a blanket,
Oliver said.


American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon
wouldn't comment Sunday on Oliver's claims of faulty
medical equipment. Shulkin, through his attorney,
Justin Nadeau, declined to comment on the incident
out of respect for Desir's family.

American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp. and based in
Fort Worth, Texas, is the largest domestic airline.

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Left her on the floor while they con't to JFk instead of sitting it on the ground in MIA?! NICE!

Capt - "So whatyda say we hoof it anyways up to JFK? I mean she won't know the difference."

FO - "You're right and besides it's colder, we can put her on ice outside and save more money by not buying ice."

Capt - "Good thinkin kid...you'll upgrade in no time.

FO - "Where should we stick her?

Capt - "How about first class! We'll upgrade her, it's the least we can do"

FO - "Now that's why your the captain. You da man"
 
If this scenario is even half as bad as reported, the family of that woman will be very well compensated indeed.

After reading Les Abend's column in Flying mag. the other month, I was surprised at how much medical issues are left to the Captains call at AA. I would have thought they use Medlink, but apparently not.
 
Typical crap reporting.

There are MANY MANY more bottles than 2 on an A300. And the AED won't shock if it isn't called for or if there is an implanted defibrilator in the victim already. (this person had a heart condition, may already have had a defibrilator implanted)

Just because it wouldn't shock the person doesn't mean it was broken.

Once the Doctor declared the person dead, why go to miami? Its an international arrival, so everyone would be screwed. Furthermore, how would off loading her in a city where her family does NOT live help anyone who might have been traveling with her?

What would her traveling companions do? Go to a hotel with a dead body? What would YOU prefer? I abandon you with your dead spouse somewhere short of your house, or atleast take you home where friends and family could meet the flight and support you?

You guys are all morons...
And you haven't been flying very long or far if you haven't had someone die on your airplane...

Geeze

Wino.

PS AA uses medlink.
 
Yeah, I have to admit this sounds like very one sided reporting, in a press release issued by some attorney.
She must have had some serious cardio problems long before she stepped on that plane. And, you gotta die somewhere, looks like she chose there!

Hung
 
Say, do you think the airline might have it's own side to the story, or are we going to jump on the "grieving relative must be telling the truth" bandwagon?

Two bottles used, both worked, AED didn't function because there wasn't enough of a heartbeat present. At least one Doctor working on her, Medlink was involved.

Yes airlining does suck, but only when you're a morbidly obese human who has been ignoring symptoms for God knows how long, and has heart disease, type two diabetes and probably quite a few other chronic conditions.

Some people shouldn't be flying. American won't be paying a penny on this one.
 
Isn't it possible that TWO O2 bottles didn't work as reported, but the REST were?

Sounds like a typical half-truth provided by the media.
 
My one and only comment on this:

When the lawyers come a knockin... what is the most conservative course of action? Divert to MIA or continue to JFK?

The best protection for the company and the passenger is to treat the situation like a medical emergency until touchdown. I'm sure that the Pilots were following the advice of medlink and dispatch. I just think that the advice they got was not the "most conservative" approach.
 
If this scenario is even half as bad as reported, the family of that woman will be very well compensated indeed.

Yeah, I'm sure a few million bucks will make up for contributing to her death.

There is zero excuse for having even one empty bottle. disgusting.

Sucks for AA pilots, this is a huge black eye for the company that none of them could do anything about...
 
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J32

Really?

Are you sure you wouldn't be sued for abandoning the pax and traveling companion somewhere short of the destination when there was no reason to stop?

Please remember the person that is complaining here is NOT the dead person, but the traveling companion. abandon that person (who may or may not even be a US citizen) in some city short of where he paid to travel to and you have a very real different lawsuit on your hand.

The Doctor declared the patient dead. That is a NIGHTMARE. you never want a pax dead on the aircraft. You want em "very very sick" and have em declared on the jetbridge....

Then a diversion is warranted. But once the pax is declared, its really pretty strait forward (believe it or not) and diversion is the wrong answer... ESPECIALLY ON AN INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT!

Cheers
Wino
 
But once the pax is declared, its really pretty strait forward (believe it or not) and diversion is the wrong answer...

You can't be serious. That is completely unacceptable. A dead person in the aisle? Is that how you'd want one of your family members treated, with no diversion?

If I was a pax, I'd sue for emotional distress.
 
Oh yeah?

Better take the time to read the "General Declaration" that you as captain have to sign and hand in to custom's and immigration. This was NOT a domestic flight.

How will being trapped on an aircraft in quarantine improve this?

Furthermore, again, abandoning the person somewhere isn't going to solve the problem either, and again, you will be sued. So much better to follow the rules and guidance you are given.

Cheers
Wino

PS, Way better than a screaming kid :)
 
Oh yeah?

Better take the time to read the "General Declaration" that you as captain have to sign and hand in to custom's and immigration. This was NOT a domestic flight.

How will being trapped on an aircraft in quarantine improve this?

Furthermore, again, abandoning the person somewhere isn't going to solve the problem either, and again, you will be sued. So much better to follow the rules and guidance you are given.

Cheers
Wino

They will be "trapped in quarantine" wherever they land. How about a little dignity for the deceased?

Incidentally, who do you work for?

If you care to admit, I will be telling everyone I know who asks me about this story that Airline (Wino) would do the same thing, and I'd never fly on them.
 
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Who do I work for?

I have 7 Uniforms in my closet, Licenses from the USA and UK and have been a captain overseas and here since 1997.

And I got news for you. The answer was the same in Europe. Once the person dies, you press on. If you have been to any sort of airline ground school, I am sure that you were told that NOBODY dies on the airplane, they get very very sick, but they die on the jetbridge.

There are VERY real reasons for this. Its not a joke.

Cheers
Wino
 

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