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TOP 10 RESPONSES SWA PILOTS GIVE REGARDING THE 190 FLIGHT PULL DOWN:
10. It's not our fault. The FAA wants us to spend more time on maintenance!
9. It was planned growth so reducing it is not really a reduction, it's a decrease in growth. We planned 8-10 percent growth and our change in the schedule is a reduction in the increase in the rate of growth. So we still have growth, it's just a reduction and next year we are still forecasting growth, it will be flat growth. And this is all good because we don't want negative yields on our growth.
8. It's not a cut, it's seasonal!
7. At least we have shiny new headsets!
6. You try flying out of LBB and see what you get!
5. We're still hiring!
4. My airline is better than your airline!
3. We've spoken with our guru and he says we need more flexibility!
2. It's okay, we've got 5 more years to fly!
And the number one response from SWA pilots on the 190 flight pull down.....
Yeah but we're adding flights to Burbank now!
Lighten up guys......
10. It's not our fault. The FAA wants us to spend more time on maintenance!
9. It was planned growth so reducing it is not really a reduction, it's a decrease in growth. We planned 8-10 percent growth and our change in the schedule is a reduction in the increase in the rate of growth. So we still have growth, it's just a reduction and next year we are still forecasting growth, it will be flat growth. And this is all good because we don't want negative yields on our growth.
8. It's not a cut, it's seasonal!
7. At least we have shiny new headsets!
6. You try flying out of LBB and see what you get!
5. We're still hiring!
4. My airline is better than your airline!
3. We've spoken with our guru and he says we need more flexibility!
2. It's okay, we've got 5 more years to fly!
And the number one response from SWA pilots on the 190 flight pull down.....
Yeah but we're adding flights to Burbank now!
Lighten up guys......
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The following explains a little better than CNN 
08-27-2008 | New Schedule Puts Planes Where the People Are
We recently opened our winter schedule (January-March 2009), which includes the elimination of 196 flights and the addition of six flights, for a net reduction of 190 flights. The changes are wide-ranging but relatively minor in magnitude. We currently operate approximately 3,400 flights a day—and doing the math—this equates to an approximate five to six percent change to our schedule. Why did we make these schedule tweaks?
The primary reason for the changes is to better align our flights with Customer demand and to strategically place our aircraft where they are making the most money. Technology enhancements pinpointed where we need to be, information that is especially important during this time of soaring fuel prices and a weak economy.
The industry typically experiences an overall decline in traffic between January and early March, and our winter schedule is a reflection of that change as well. Also, the number of aircraft needed to operate during the winter months increases due to the change in weather—meaning we need more aircraft to maintain the same schedule. Any extra aircraft time resulting from these reductions will be used to maintain our efficiency during the winter weather.
We are scaling back on our growth in 2009 due to the slowing economy and added fuel pressures. We will have a better idea of what our full 2009 growth outlook will be as we move closer to March, and the possibility exists that traffic improvements and changes in the competitive landscape could lead us to alter our capacity plans.
Be sure to check out Bill Owen's blog post on the schedule changes by visiting http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/whoopsjanuarys-hereand-i-forgot-blog.
We recently opened our winter schedule (January-March 2009), which includes the elimination of 196 flights and the addition of six flights, for a net reduction of 190 flights. The changes are wide-ranging but relatively minor in magnitude. We currently operate approximately 3,400 flights a day—and doing the math—this equates to an approximate five to six percent change to our schedule. Why did we make these schedule tweaks?
The primary reason for the changes is to better align our flights with Customer demand and to strategically place our aircraft where they are making the most money. Technology enhancements pinpointed where we need to be, information that is especially important during this time of soaring fuel prices and a weak economy.
The industry typically experiences an overall decline in traffic between January and early March, and our winter schedule is a reflection of that change as well. Also, the number of aircraft needed to operate during the winter months increases due to the change in weather—meaning we need more aircraft to maintain the same schedule. Any extra aircraft time resulting from these reductions will be used to maintain our efficiency during the winter weather.
We are scaling back on our growth in 2009 due to the slowing economy and added fuel pressures. We will have a better idea of what our full 2009 growth outlook will be as we move closer to March, and the possibility exists that traffic improvements and changes in the competitive landscape could lead us to alter our capacity plans.
Be sure to check out Bill Owen's blog post on the schedule changes by visiting http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/whoopsjanuarys-hereand-i-forgot-blog.
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I don't really see where you come up with this stuff. Those SWA guys who are putting out responses like your list are probably just trying to tweak the tweakers (and they seem to be having great success, judging by the page count so far).
How about this for the 190 flight pull down: I think it s*cks and hope it is reversed soon. Hiring just came to a standstill and there are lots of good people still trying to come on board...now they'll have to wait that much longer. Nobody (even us) is immune to the effects of $100+/bbl oil. I hope the carnage is minimized at all airlines.
P.S. Wish us all the best of luck with our (now protracted) contract negotiations. Only a fool would believe the company is not playing up the industry gloom & doom outlook to us.
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I didn't come up with anything, it all came from this thread. Just an observation....
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The following explains a little better than CNN
08-27-2008 | New Schedule Puts Planes Where the People Are
We recently opened our winter schedule (January-March 2009), which includes the elimination of 196 flights and the addition of six flights, for a net reduction of 190 flights. The changes are wide-ranging but relatively minor in magnitude. We currently operate approximately 3,400 flights a day—and doing the math—this equates to an approximate five to six percent change to our schedule. Why did we make these schedule tweaks?
The primary reason for the changes is to better align our flights with Customer demand and to strategically place our aircraft where they are making the most money. Technology enhancements pinpointed where we need to be, information that is especially important during this time of soaring fuel prices and a weak economy.
The industry typically experiences an overall decline in traffic between January and early March, and our winter schedule is a reflection of that change as well. Also, the number of aircraft needed to operate during the winter months increases due to the change in weather—meaning we need more aircraft to maintain the same schedule. Any extra aircraft time resulting from these reductions will be used to maintain our efficiency during the winter weather.
We are scaling back on our growth in 2009 due to the slowing economy and added fuel pressures. We will have a better idea of what our full 2009 growth outlook will be as we move closer to March, and the possibility exists that traffic improvements and changes in the competitive landscape could lead us to alter our capacity plans.
Be sure to check out Bill Owen's blog post on the schedule changes by visiting [URL="http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/whoopsjanuarys-hereand-i-forgot-blog."]http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/whoopsjanuarys-hereand-i-forgot-blog.[/URL]
Good explanation all in all. I think people are making up excuses when the obvious is right there. Some of those flights aren't making money and they are pulling them down. When you fly a CRJ at 0600 from GSP to DTW and it is half full, it is one thing. NWA or DAL can justify it because some of those pax may connect to an Asian flight where they make it all back and then some.
However, when you are in the point to point business, and you fly a 737 from DTW to BWI at 0600 and it has 20 people on it, that flight ain't makin' money. The guys at SWA are not stupid. They probably saw that some of those early morning/late night flights were sucking eggs and decided not to continue wasting fuel on money losing flights.
In my mind, there is no way around the fact that they are pulling down money losing capacity just like everyone else. It is what it is. Sucks for pilots, commuters, and the very few that need to be somewhere by 0700 in the morning, but makes good business sense to me.
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more propaganda for ya. tongue in cheek.
http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/whoopsjanuarys-hereand-i-forgot-blog
Whoops....January's here...and I Forgot to Blog!!!
Tue, 08/26/2008 - 14:32 — Bill Owen Forgive me, Blogosphere, for I have sinned.
I’ve been so wrapped up in a few other issues this past week that I completely neglected—well, actually, forgot—to prepare a blog post about our January, 2009 schedule, which went out for sale last Thursday. There are a lot of changes incorporated into that schedule, both frequency changes as well as changes to methodology (love that word—sounds so “consultant-ish”!). So, let’s dive right in!
As lots of people have already noticed—and I have to admit, you media types and all of you guys on on FlyerTalk.com and airliners.net are incredibly observant!—we have a lot of changes in the January ‘09 schedule. The number of departures change in a whopping 98 roundtrip markets (including three, which get one MORE flight each!) compared to the November ’08 schedule. Still, I wouldn’t characterize any of these as huge strategic “statements” as only three markets have been completely discontinued (Birmingham-Phoenix, Nashville-Oakland, and Nashville-Seattle), and neither are there any completely new markets. We have made these changes to better align our flying schedule with our Passenger demand.
The more interesting, schedule-geeky details are about how, and why, these reductions have been accomplished. From a scheduler’s standpoint, two things happen in every January Schedule. One, we go into winter weather, and flying times—the time it takes to get from point “A” to “B”—take the largest increase of the year. Two, we move into a traditionally slower traffic period (and January and February are two really sluggish months from an airline traffic standpoint), and that really kills flights that depart really early or really late. And you guys have told us—by your flying habits!—that you don’t like flights before 700 a.m., nor ones after 800 p.m. Our new schedule optimization “algorigthm” (again, LOVE that word—sounds so educated!) allows us to move departure times around within individual markets with nearly surgical precision. We tell it we know about the earliest and latest desired flights in each market—literally, we tell the optimizer what departure times you guys want—and the resulting schedule is one that mirrors more closely than ever what you, our Customers, want.
For the January ‘09 schedule we really took advantage of this new capability and made the earliest flights later and the latest flights earlier. The result: the vast majority of the flights that are trimmed in the January schedule would have departed in the 600 a.m. to 700 a.m. or 800 p.m. to 1000 p.m. time frames. A hidden dynamic that’s driving this whole early/late thing is the fact that we’re not adding any new aircraft in the January schedule, so had we not slightly reduced our schedule, the longer winter flying times would have had the effect of spreading the first and last flights of the day into those time frames that we already know y’all don’t like.
Yes, I may have “sinned” in my failure to communicate, but hopefully I can come up with suitable penance to make up for it. Maybe I’ll share my grandmother’s home-made Banana Pudding recipe with you….Nanny might roll over in her grave but trust me, it’ll win me your forgiveness (even if it will blow your diet for the entire last half of 2008)!!!
http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/whoopsjanuarys-hereand-i-forgot-blog
Whoops....January's here...and I Forgot to Blog!!!
Tue, 08/26/2008 - 14:32 — Bill Owen Forgive me, Blogosphere, for I have sinned.
I’ve been so wrapped up in a few other issues this past week that I completely neglected—well, actually, forgot—to prepare a blog post about our January, 2009 schedule, which went out for sale last Thursday. There are a lot of changes incorporated into that schedule, both frequency changes as well as changes to methodology (love that word—sounds so “consultant-ish”!). So, let’s dive right in!
As lots of people have already noticed—and I have to admit, you media types and all of you guys on on FlyerTalk.com and airliners.net are incredibly observant!—we have a lot of changes in the January ‘09 schedule. The number of departures change in a whopping 98 roundtrip markets (including three, which get one MORE flight each!) compared to the November ’08 schedule. Still, I wouldn’t characterize any of these as huge strategic “statements” as only three markets have been completely discontinued (Birmingham-Phoenix, Nashville-Oakland, and Nashville-Seattle), and neither are there any completely new markets. We have made these changes to better align our flying schedule with our Passenger demand.
The more interesting, schedule-geeky details are about how, and why, these reductions have been accomplished. From a scheduler’s standpoint, two things happen in every January Schedule. One, we go into winter weather, and flying times—the time it takes to get from point “A” to “B”—take the largest increase of the year. Two, we move into a traditionally slower traffic period (and January and February are two really sluggish months from an airline traffic standpoint), and that really kills flights that depart really early or really late. And you guys have told us—by your flying habits!—that you don’t like flights before 700 a.m., nor ones after 800 p.m. Our new schedule optimization “algorigthm” (again, LOVE that word—sounds so educated!) allows us to move departure times around within individual markets with nearly surgical precision. We tell it we know about the earliest and latest desired flights in each market—literally, we tell the optimizer what departure times you guys want—and the resulting schedule is one that mirrors more closely than ever what you, our Customers, want.
For the January ‘09 schedule we really took advantage of this new capability and made the earliest flights later and the latest flights earlier. The result: the vast majority of the flights that are trimmed in the January schedule would have departed in the 600 a.m. to 700 a.m. or 800 p.m. to 1000 p.m. time frames. A hidden dynamic that’s driving this whole early/late thing is the fact that we’re not adding any new aircraft in the January schedule, so had we not slightly reduced our schedule, the longer winter flying times would have had the effect of spreading the first and last flights of the day into those time frames that we already know y’all don’t like.
Yes, I may have “sinned” in my failure to communicate, but hopefully I can come up with suitable penance to make up for it. Maybe I’ll share my grandmother’s home-made Banana Pudding recipe with you….Nanny might roll over in her grave but trust me, it’ll win me your forgiveness (even if it will blow your diet for the entire last half of 2008)!!!
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I get the feeling that SWA is starting to digest just that.
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Except he meant to say the "lone" class in Sept PLUS the other "lone" class in Sept.
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NO it is not......
YES it is......
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McDonald's quit selling the McRib because of lack of interest. Does that make them a sh!tty company or a smart company who knows when to trim the fat?
Our McRibs are out the door, but I am sure that combo meals 1-5 will pay the bills until another slam dunk is whipped up.
The scary part is that a Whataburger could be right around the corner. Then it's Taquito time!!
No matter how much you like Whataburger, McDonalds is well known, has brand equity, and you'll always know what you get when you walk thru the door. If ya ain't changing, the world will pass you by.
Our McRibs are out the door, but I am sure that combo meals 1-5 will pay the bills until another slam dunk is whipped up.
The scary part is that a Whataburger could be right around the corner. Then it's Taquito time!!
No matter how much you like Whataburger, McDonalds is well known, has brand equity, and you'll always know what you get when you walk thru the door. If ya ain't changing, the world will pass you by.
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My only rationale of acceptance for the reduction in growth is at least Mr. Kelly is managing the airline instead of blindly growing for the sake of growth.
Make no mistake, the future must be getting at least somewhat cloudy or they wouldn't cut 6% of our schedule. I certainly wouldn't say we're in as bad a shape as some of you are hoping but I just can't positively spin negative growth.
The bright side of this coin is we're not furloughing and we gave 500 guys a job this year. Plus this place is still a kick in the pants.
Gup
Make no mistake, the future must be getting at least somewhat cloudy or they wouldn't cut 6% of our schedule. I certainly wouldn't say we're in as bad a shape as some of you are hoping but I just can't positively spin negative growth.
The bright side of this coin is we're not furloughing and we gave 500 guys a job this year. Plus this place is still a kick in the pants.
Gup
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well said in all points, good post!
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most recent QTR'ly report
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=92562&p=irol-newsArticle_Print&ID=1178748&highlight=
Some points
- Denver is clearly a strong city for SWA
- Fuel hedges appear to taper off in 2010
- Aircraft orders thru 2015
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=92562&p=irol-newsArticle_Print&ID=1178748&highlight=
Some points
- Denver is clearly a strong city for SWA
- Fuel hedges appear to taper off in 2010
- Aircraft orders thru 2015
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Speaking of McDonalds, maybe you can send "say again" over there, his job as a walmart greeter is in jeopardy.:laugh:
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Like someone else said earlier...if SWA is cutting back then what does that say about the rest of the industry? SWA trims 6% of their schedule and guys at other carriers are celebrating. That makes no sense to me. If SWA is reducing their schedule by 6% then UAL must be reducing theirs by at least 15%...wait they already announced that.
Honestly, it is scary and it should worry everyone...especially those few that love to bash SWA and find themselves in places like DAL, UAL, USAirways, etc, etc, etc. If it looks bad for us, then it must look rotten for you. Becareful what you wish for, SWA doing bad means everyone else is barely alive.
Honestly, it is scary and it should worry everyone...especially those few that love to bash SWA and find themselves in places like DAL, UAL, USAirways, etc, etc, etc. If it looks bad for us, then it must look rotten for you. Becareful what you wish for, SWA doing bad means everyone else is barely alive.
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Awww, did somebody hurt your feelings?? Oh well. Very, very lame post BTW, but I'm glad you're amused, showing your true lack of wit and intelligence.
so you'll be staying in the AF a little longer?
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We are being told that this reduction will be short in nature...ie the March schedule should include more flights. Not so sure all 4% of the reduction will be re-introduced in March..but at least the plan is to get things moving again. All hiring stops...for now...after the 2 classes (tankerclown) in September.
Sorry that all those who were hoping for the imminent demise of SWA (aa767av8tor) will have to wait a bit longer.
Sorry that all those who were hoping for the imminent demise of SWA (aa767av8tor) will have to wait a bit longer.
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Most definately better than a hawker toilet scrubber!:laugh:
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That's quite ironic coming from a Song guy. Looks like a DAL guy could do well for themeselves by working for sh!t wages.
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SWA737-700,
Perhaps you didn’t understand my post. I never said anything about the demise of LUV. I pointed out how SWAPA’s support of Age 65 is now coming back to bit the lower half of your seniority group. Kelly is alluding publicly to zero growth for 2009. Your union’s support of Age 65 was very shortsighted and selfish and has hurt a great many in our profession.
Age 65 also helps set the stage for a more seamless assimilation to international cabotage. What's your plan to compete against a Lan Chile pilot that could be flying point to point across the U.S. in a few years that is making ½ of your pay check?
It’s no secret that LUV’s most advantageous fuel hedges are flaming out over the next 2-3 years. It’s also no secret that LUV will face some great challenges over the next few years. Your prices have nowhere to go but up over the next three years thus affecting a great many of your most price conscious customers who will choose to simply stay home.
For a group that supposedly has been in the driver’s seat for the last two decades, your union has accomplished very little for the rest of the profession. Instead of bringing some meaningful and constructive improvement to our industry, SWAPA was a main driver of one of the most destructive rules since B-scale. Congratulations.
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What's even more ironic is you have absolutely no idea who I work for. Actually you seem to have no idea about anything. But thanks for playing.
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Is that the same B-scale that came to us courtesy of AA?
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