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WN to ground 190 flights

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http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/26/new..._cutbacks.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008082611


Southwest to ground 190 flights this winter
Southwest Airlines to cut 190 flights from winter schedule
August 26, 2008: 10:34 AM EST


NEW YORK (Associated Press) - Southwest Airlines Co., which had resisted the kinds of capacity cuts being made by other carriers, will eliminate nearly 200 flights early next year as it struggles with high fuel costs and a weakening economy.
The move raised doubts about the company's publicly stated goal of growing modestly in 2009 despite the airline industry's troubles.
Now, Southwest will cut 196 flights while adding only six new ones in its schedule that takes effect Jan. 11.
That is nearly 6 percent of the airline's daily schedule of close to 3,400 flights.
Southwest spokesman Chris Mainz said Tuesday that some of the eliminated flights, which span Southwest's nationwide network, could be restored later in 2009. Late winter is typically a slow travel period.
"This is a response to a slower traffic period, and we're giving ourselves some operational flexibility in the winter months," he said.
Southwest is better insulated than its rivals from high jet fuel prices because it bought options to get most of its fuel at below-market prices. Still, the airline's fuel bill has been rising, eating into margins at the most consistently profitable U.S. carrier.
Chairman and Chief Executive Gary Kelly said in June that the Dallas-based low-cost carrier hoped to grow modestly in 2009. But he tempered that outlook by saying the expansion plans could be scrapped if oil prices remain high or the economy weakens.
At the time, Kelly said Southwest still planned to add 14 new planes next year. Mainz said Tuesday that new planes will be added while older aircraft are retired, keeping the airline's fleet "relatively flat." Southwest has about 530 jets, all Boeing 737s.
Southwest is the only major U.S. carrier to earn a profit in the first half of the year _ it has not lost money in a quarter since early 1991. Like other carriers, Southwest has been raising fares to offset rising fuel prices, and Kelly has said more increases are likely.
Southwest serves more than 60 U.S. airports and is not leaving any of them under the new schedule. But it is ending some nonstop service, such as that between Nashville, Tenn., and Oakland, Calif. The carrier is mainly reducing the frequency of flights on routes across its network.
The airline will add six new flights; round trips between Phoenix and Burbank, Calif., Las Vegas and Orange County, Calif., and Baltimore and Orlando, Fla.
Southwest's reduction of nearly 6 percent is still far smaller than capacity cutbacks at other U.S. airlines.
American Airlines, the nation's largest carrier, is cutting about 8 percent of capacity after Labor Day _ and up to 12 percent of its domestic flying. United Airlines expects to cut domestic capacity about 16 percent, and Delta, Northwest and Continental also have announced cuts.
The airlines are grounding planes and laying off thousands of workers to save money in the face of higher fuel bills.
The Air Transport Association, a trade group for the big carriers, expects U.S. airlines to spend $61.2 billion this year on fuel, up from $41.2 billion last year.
 
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FlyinGuy

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jon......you might want to edit your title. You are sounding like the media!
 

AA767AV8TOR

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Well, it took a few years, but like the rest of us, the economy and gas prices are finally catching up to you all. The chickens are finally come home to roost. Did you really think your growth could last forever??

How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR
 

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Well, it took a few years, but like the rest of us, the economy and gas prices are finally catching up to you all. The chickens are finally come home to roost. Did you really think your growth could last forever??

How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR
You haters are idiots. I bet you long on everyday looking for more news of the demise of the aviation industry. Tear the heads off your stuffed animals yet?
 

The Victors

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and no. You didn't touch a nerve. Yawn. I'm pretty comfortable in my current seat. How bout you?
 

DH2WN

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Well, it took a few years, but like the rest of us, the economy and gas prices are finally catching up to you all. The chickens are finally come home to roost. Did you really think your growth could last forever??

How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR

It's called the winter schedule ding bat.
 

Sy-bill

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Well, it took a few years, but like the rest of us, the economy and gas prices are finally catching up to you all. The chickens are finally come home to roost. Did you really think your growth could last forever??

How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR

Just another happy AA pilot. Even during the best of times you guys are just depressing. Its not your fault, its your culture.
 

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Well, it took a few years, but like the rest of us, the economy and gas prices are finally catching up to you all. The chickens are finally come home to roost. Did you really think your growth could last forever??

How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR

Didn't congress pass that? I didn't know it was a SWA decision...........learn something new everyday!
 

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It also wasnt SWAPA that gave it the final push either. They arent grounding anything, but rearranging the schedule for winter. It happens every year. Your AA management might want to actual run an airline instead of taking their money and running.
 

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I love when I meet an ex TWA guy with AA uniform.
He makes sure you know who he use to fly for.......
 

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It also wasnt SWAPA that gave it the final push either. They arent grounding anything, but rearranging the schedule for winter. It happens every year. Your AA management might want to actual run an airline instead of taking their money and running.

It happens several times throughout the year. Last winter was no exception. They should just outsource it to an RJ outfit and furlough ...oh wait... that's already a proven to be a failed strategy (over and over and over.....)
 

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How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR

The real decision on Age 65 was made by your very own congressman who either voted "Yes" for it to pass or cared so little about your position that he didn't even bother to vote at all.

Same goes for your two Senators...

Soooo....in November, you gonna work on sending them back to DC ..for more?
 

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You all seem to be living in your own little dream world. It’s been that way for a long time. It’s much more than simply a winter cut. LUV is cutting back – way back from your heydays of growth. Read the article! Southwest is not completely immune or insulated from what’s happening to the rest of the industry. Kelly is alluding to zero growth for you possibility next year.

I don’t know what seat Victors is sitting in but if you’re in the right seat, there’s a good chance you will start to feel the stinging effects of stagnation. If not, your FO just got screwed. Are you happy about that?

Age 65 was a battle and crusade maintained in force over the last decade by a small group of Southwest pilots. SWAPA didn’t have the courage or the know how to put a stop to it before it got out of control. Now the rest of us are paying the price. Age 65 is screwing much of the industry and will for years to come. The blood is on your hands. Whose is the idiot – take a good look in the mirror.

AA767AV8TOR

Southwest Airlines to cut 190 flights in winter schedule

Tuesday, August 26, 2008
By TERRY MAXON tmaxon@dallasnews.com

Southwest Airlines Co. will cut nearly 200 flights throughout its system and add only six as it implements its winter schedule Jan. 11.

The net decrease of 190 flights represents about 5 percent to 6 percent of Southwest's daily schedule of nearly 3,400 flights.

A spokeswoman said Monday that the changes reflect Southwest's plan to rein in its capacity, a strategy outlined earlier this year by chairman and chief executive Gary Kelly. Some flights will be added back in March, she said.


Spokeswoman Brandy King said the reductions will let the airline have more aircraft available to cope with the uncertainties of winter storms.

"The changes we are implementing are wide-ranging but relatively minor in magnitude. They are in part necessitated by holding the fleet count steady as we enter the first part of 2009, with the one-two punch of nasty winter weather and low traffic," Ms. King said.

That being said, we have mentioned that we will be taking steps in 2009 to adjust our capacity growth rate in response to a slowing U.S. economy and added fuel cost pressures," she said.

In all, the airline's new schedule will eliminate 196 flights systemwide and add only six – round trips between Phoenix and Burbank, Calif.; Baltimore and Orlando, Fla.; and Las Vegas and Orange County, Calif.

Dallas' losses Dallas Love Field will lose three round trips, or six flights, to Houston Hobby, San Antonio and Albuquerque, N.M.

The Dallas-based carrier will eliminate nonstop service on three routes: Phoenix and Birmingham, Ala.; Nashville, Tenn. and Oakland, Calif.; and Nashville and Seattle.

On other routes, the carrier retained nonstop service but cut the frequency.

On Dallas-Houston, for example, Southwest will have 29 round trips a day rather than 30. Dallas-San Antonio will drop from 15 round trips to 14, and Dallas-Albuquerque will drop from nine round trips a day to eight.

Chicago Midway will face the biggest cuts, losing a net of 22 departures to 20 cities, followed by Baltimore with a net loss of 13 departures. Las Vegas loses 12 departures, and Phoenix and Nashville will each drop 10 departures.

Ms. King said Southwest will monitor the marketplace to determine which flights should be added back as the airline heads into spring, when traffic traditionally begins to increase.

Until recently, Southwest aimed to expand 8 percent to 10 percent a year. But it has slowed its growth rate to only 4 percent in 2008 and has said it may not expand at all in 2009.

"The more the time goes by, the more concern we get about our overall economy in 2009, and certainly that's weighing very heavily on our views about growing capacity next year," Mr. Kelly told industry analysts when Southwest announced its second-quarter earnings July 24. "But right now, we're not real bullish about adding flights at all vs. where we are operating today."

Other plans

Most major U.S. airlines are reducing their capacity after Labor Day by parking airplanes and reducing jobs as they try to compensate for jet fuel prices that are much higher than a year earlier.

A recent estimate by the Air Transport Association is that the fuel bill for U.S. airlines is likely to jump more than $20 billion above 2007's $41 billion.

The nation's largest airline, Fort Worth-based American Airlines Inc., has said it plans to fly about 8 percent less capacity in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared with a year earlier, including an 11 percent to 12 percent reduction in domestic flying.

No. 2 United Airlines Inc. plans even deeper cuts, 15.5 percent to 16.5 percent on its domestic routes.
 

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Fact is guys, that if WN is taking these steps each and everyone of us needs to watch out. If they are cutting 190 flts how many more do you think the majors will cut? These are the guys that have the hedges. They can operate unprofitable flights, we cannot, yet we continue to.
Interesting times ahead.
I guess we will see if they expand internationally to offset the domestic capacity slump.
 

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How’s your decision on Age 65 looking now? Maybe you all can finally understand how Age 65 screwed the rest of us.

AA767AV8TOR

You really need to get over it. That ship has sailed. Age 60 isn't ever coming back. All our careers have stagnated.

Does the phrase "Crying over spilled milk" sound familiar?
 

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Boy, WN is looking more and more like a legacy. Aren't they still hiring? Talk about hire until you furlough. Looks like it's probably not too bright to hire folks and have them hit the line right before a 6% reduction in flying.
 

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The real decision on Age 65 was made by your very own congressman who either voted "Yes" for it to pass or cared so little about your position that he didn't even bother to vote at all.

Same goes for your two Senators...

Soooo....in November, you gonna work on sending them back to DC ..for more?

Tejas Jet,

I’ve been living in Dallas for two decades so I’m very familiar with what’s happening over at LUV and SWAPA.

The problem is LUV became too much of a political powerhouse to overcome (especially in Texas). You had both Hutchison and Cornyn in your back pocket.

We tried to stop you guys from screwing the rest of us, but unfortunately for the rest of us, APA was unsuccessful.

The problem with the action, or in some cases inaction, for Age 65 you all took was the adverse effect it has on the rest of the industry. It was completely short sighted and arrogant on SWAPA’s part. We are only now starting to pay the price.

All I can say to all the guys losing their jobs and moving backwards across our profession – is we tried and keep the faith.

AA767AV8TOR
 

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Threads like this one always crack me up to see the same old swa skirts get their panties in a wad the second anyone posts anything negative about their company. The koolaid flows good.
 

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You really need to get over it. That ship has sailed. Age 60 isn't ever coming back. All our careers have stagnated.

Does the phrase "Crying over spilled milk" sound familiar?

Does the phase – “We will never forget,” also sound familiar??!!

AA767AV8TOR
 

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The real decision on Age 65 was made by your very own congressman who either voted "Yes" for it to pass or cared so little about your position that he didn't even bother to vote at all.

Same goes for your two Senators...

Soooo....in November, you gonna work on sending them back to DC ..for more?

I think you have no clue what you're talking about. It's painfully obvious you aren't part of ALPA, or any real union for that matter. Maybe you were more aware at one time? I would guess that would have to be the case because I've no idea how you made it to SWA.

If Swa is a great airline...it's in spite of the kind of employee you present yourself as. Age 65 to you is the equivilent of a CEO fashioning a golden parachute. Is that the sort of thing SWA mgt is known for?

Of course SWA is great and I'm sure this is somewhat routine. I hope you all take this chance to raise fares...a lot! (Let's all raise fares)

FACT: You made a golden parachute out of your coworkers' futures. Not a very SWA-like thing, do you think?
 
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