Williams Gateway Airport Flight Patterns

[Resume Writer]

Hi Everyone,

Is there a website or a source that you can point me to that details the flight patterns in and out of Williams Gateway Airport? There was a recent article in the East Valley Tribune that they are wanting to get public support for commercial service.

I am curious as to what kind of traffic will be coming in and out of that airport. When I drove by yesterday, there was a 747 for Global Peace Ambassadors, so I figure the runway can handle anything. There is also a lot of traffic that is military, including fighters and KC-135 aircraft, in addition to MD-80s (I think) that are unmarked.

Now, I understand there are pros and cons to this. However, I moved out to Queen Creek to get OUT of the flight pattern of Sky Harbor. When I signed my public report for the house, the paperwork said that we were NOT in the flight pattern, but the jets over my house say different.

Please tell me I am not going to have to move to Globe to get away from the noise!

 

[pwendell]

Please tell me I am not going to have to move to Globe to get away from the noise!

No, you're going to have to move to Bumble Bee.

 

[sqwkvfr]

The City of Mesa is pushing hard for commercial service into Williams. They seem confident that they will have carriers operating there by the end of the year.

Here's a link to the approaches for IWA. Looking at my VFR chart, it looks like Queen Creek is just left of the final approach for the northwest runways (RWYs30).

 

[Resume Writer]

The City of Mesa is pushing hard for commercial service into Williams. They seem confident that they will have carriers operating there by the end of the year.

I know - I read the article. What airlines are they looking at? Anyone know?

I am about 10 miles SE of the airport. What altitude are they at when they are that far away from landing? They seem to fly from the north to the south over us, go about 10 miles south, turn west and then go in for landing. Any guesses?

Sqwk - which .pdf am I supposed to look at on that link? I saw a runway diagram, but I do not know where you found the Queen Creek info.

Thanks!

 

[sqwkvfr]

I know - I read the article. What airlines are they looking at? Anyone know?

I am about 10 miles SE of the airport. What altitude are they at when they are that far away from landing? They seem to fly from the north to the south over us, go about 10 miles south, turn west and then go in for landing. Any guesses?

Sqwk - which .pdf am I supposed to look at on that link? I saw a runway diagram, but I do not know where you found the Queen Creek info.

Thanks!

Check the ILS RWY 30C. Oh, and ir you're 10 miles SE of the airport, your RE agent lied to you when he told you that you're not in IWA's flight pattern.

 

[sqwkvfr]

You're right on....they go out a little ways, do a procedure turn (according to the approach plate, it it done at 4600ft, but pilots that have done it know that PHX approach usually has you do it at a lower altitude) and the head back toward the airport while descending to 3000ft where they fly level until interceping the glideslope (with probably happens right over your house) and then they begin to descend for landing.

I can see why you'd get tired of it.

 

[8sm]

Large planes have been going in/out there for years. City of Mesa and others have been talking expanding service out of there since the AirForce pulled out. With one of SkyHarbors arrival route right over the QueenCreek/SanTan mountain area, it would be hard not to notice "the plane ".
The good thing is regardless of the overhead flight patterns you could enjoy mulitple offers and sell for well over list price in todays hot phx real estate market.
I have a home in Ahwatukee/Foothills there are similar complaints about the flight patterns in/out of SkyHarbor.
Let me know if you want to sell....Queen Creek in a good investment.

 

[Resume Writer]

Large planes have been going in/out there for years. City of Mesa and others have been talking expanding service out of there since the AirForce pulled out. With one of SkyHarbors arrival route right over the QueenCreek/SanTan mountain area, it would be hard not to notice "the plane ".
The good thing is regardless of the overhead flight patterns you could enjoy mulitple offers and sell for well over list price in todays hot phx real estate market.
I have a home in Ahwatukee/Foothills there are similar complaints about the flight patterns in/out of SkyHarbor.
Let me know if you want to sell....Queen Creek in a good investment.

I just moved out here! If you think I am going to pack and move all this crap again, you would be mistaken!

 

[Resume Writer]

You're right on....they go out a little ways, do a procedure turn (according to the approach plate, it it done at 4600ft, but pilots that have done it know that PHX approach usually has you do it at a lower altitude) and the head back toward the airport while descending to 3000ft where they fly level until interceping the glideslope (with probably happens right over your house) and then they begin to descend for landing.

I can see why you'd get tired of it.

I do not think they are in the glide slope over my house. I am pretty far out in Queen Creek. They are still traveling south over my house, then they turn west before starting the descent.

 

[sqwkvfr]

I do not think they are in the glide slope over my house. I am pretty far out in Queen Creek. They are still traveling south over my house, then they turn west before starting the descent.

Oh, so they're still getting vectored.....jeez, you are a long ways out there! I thought my humble abode at Riggs/Lindsay was remote.

 

[Philso]

I have a home in Ahwatukee/Foothills there are similar complaints about the flight patterns in/out of SkyHarbor.

So do I and I don't know what all the fuss is about. There is more noise from those soon-to-be-deaf-guy's driving around the neighborhood with the bass blasting away or the guy who thinks it is cool to sit in his garage opening the throttle on his Harley Davidson at all hours of the day, just because he thinks it sounds cool.

 

[xrated]

When I signed my public report for the house, the paperwork said that we were NOT in the flight pattern, but the jets over my house say different.

About 7-8 years ago, a friend of mine bought a house near IWA on Baseline and Higley. When he bought it, the girl in the sales office said there wouldn't be any noise issues because the airspace above the subdivision was "restricted". I had to here this for myself, so I went in with him one day and asked her about the noise. She gave me the same reply. I told her that either she had been given some bad info or she wasn't telling the truth. She then produce a sheet of paper that had the normal traffic pattern at IWA and the normal arrivial corridors into PHX. She said the planes had to avoid that area. My friend thought I had been put in my place until one night around 10pm I circled his house for about 5 minutes while returning from an air ambulace flight. Point is, these people will tell you anything to make the sale.

 

[User546]

Isn't Queen Creek right around the Chandler Airport as well? What kind of overflying traffic do you get from that airport?

I know its probably a lot smaller aircraft then whats going into IWA, but I had a friend that lived out there and it was always annoying regardless.

 

[Resume Writer]

There are parts of Queen Creek that are near Chandler Airport. My old house was about 5 miles north of Chandler Airport and the GA never bothered me.
I am WAY out in Queen Creek; almost to Florence! I moved out here because the housing was very inexpensive and it is very quiet - except the larger aircraft that fly into Williams. Since I work from my home, I can live anywhere.

The main reason I have posed this question is to find out how MUCH traffic is going to be generated if they go more commercial at Williams. The wind usually blows from west to east, and I think that one of the runways is set northeast to southeast on an angle. I figure with the wind patterns that I have seen so far that many of the aircraft with fly over my house.

 

[Resume Writer]

About 7-8 years ago, a friend of mine bought a house near IWA on Baseline and Higley. When he bought it, the girl in the sales office said there wouldn't be any noise issues because the airspace above the subdivision was "restricted". I had to here this for myself, so I went in with him one day and asked her about the noise. She gave me the same reply. I told her that either she had been given some bad info or she wasn't telling the truth. She then produce a sheet of paper that had the normal traffic pattern at IWA and the normal arrivial corridors into PHX. She said the planes had to avoid that area. My friend thought I had been put in my place until one night around 10pm I circled his house for about 5 minutes while returning from an air ambulace flight. Point is, these people will tell you anything to make the sale.

I wonder if the sheet she produced was from when Williams was an AFB. I think these public reports are way off, as I read it cover to cover, and it said nothing about air traffic patterns.

 

[xrated]

The main reason I have posed this question is to find out how MUCH traffic is going to be generated if they go more commercial at Williams. The wind usually blows from west to east, and I think that one of the runways is set northeast to southeast on an angle. I figure with the wind patterns that I have seen so far that many of the aircraft with fly over my house.

Only time will tell, but it sounds like the city of Mesa would like to generate as much traffic as possible. A big rumor for a while was making it a cargo hub. Good thing with that is there is a realitivley small percentage of cargo flights compared to passenger flights. Bad thing is the hours they typically run. Though I'd be suprised if it happens. IWA is so far east of town, therefore making trucking all the freight and packages into Phx a time consuming process.

Generally speaking, you are living right under (maybe a little to the west) the arrivals into runways 30 which is the predominate runways in use. I'm sure one day there will be regularly scheduled flights out of IWA but I doubt it will be substantial enough to be a major headache.

 

[AHP-TWAMaddog]

Overflights of QC

I live in QC and Fly a daily shuttle operation out of IWA and our flight from the West Coast always flys directly over the San Tans and sometimes as far south as Johnson Ranch and Copper Basin at about 4000 msl or 2400 agl in a twin jet commuter size. We do that 5 days a week and in the morning we fly over Pegasus Airpark on our way West. I see IWA as a major hub airport soon since PHX is growing so much and can definately support 2 major airports.

IMO

Tailwinds

 

[sqwkvfr]

So do I and I don't know what all the fuss is about. There is more noise from those soon-to-be-deaf-guy's driving around the neighborhood with the bass blasting away or the guy who thinks it is cool to sit in his garage opening the throttle on his Harley Davidson at all hours of the day, just because he thinks it sounds cool.

I lived in "the tuke" for a while and I always thought it ironic that the same people bitching about the aircraft on those arrivals that were 6000ft in the air and throttled back were the same ones that bought their spoiled-brat kids (when I see them walking down the street after dark I call them the "Ahwatukee toughs") those noisy little scooters with the chainsaw motors on 'em.

 

[sqwkvfr]

Isn't Queen Creek right around the Chandler Airport as well? What kind of overflying traffic do you get from that airport?

I know its probably a lot smaller aircraft then whats going into IWA, but I had a friend that lived out there and it was always annoying regardless.

I live just west of the 45 to downwind entry for RWYs 22. I enjoy it.

 

[GulfstreamSDL]

So what if IWA becomes commercial? The airport was here before a lot of the development out here. Where else is the traffic gonna go once PHX gets too busy?...Nice big 'ol airport out here that's capable. Let the state be stupid and waste money on a new, unnecessary airport somewhere, just like they blew millions on a new stadium for the worst team in the NFL.

Its not even that loud...chill out

 

[Philso]

those noisy little scooters with the chainsaw motors on 'em.

I hate those things, they have to be the biggest noise polluters ever made. There is nothing more annoying than sitting out on the patio, enjoying a nice cool Guinness, watching the big iron flying overhead only to the 2 stroke scooter engines, minutes before you see it drive by.

 

[Philso]

.. just like they blew millions on a new stadium for the worst team in the NFL.

Don't forget the billion or so for 'Light Rail' !!

 

[sqwkvfr]

Don't forget the billion or so for 'Light Rail' !!

Oh, no. It was FAR more than one billion.

Even after that super-expensive piece of (*&$ is built, I'll still be sitting in traffic on the 60 or the 10NB from Chandler Blvd in the morning.

 

[EngineOut]

So what if IWA becomes commercial? The airport was here before a lot of the development out here. Where else is the traffic gonna go once PHX gets too busy?...Nice big 'ol airport out here that's capable. Let the state be stupid and waste money on a new, unnecessary airport somewhere, just like they blew millions on a new stadium for the worst team in the NFL.

Its not even that loud...chill out

Don't tell me you're talking about the Bengals. Arizona paid money to build the Bengals a new stadium??????!!!!!!!!

Cardinals rule!!! Particularly this year. You are a MuttBunch.

 

[GulfstreamSDL]

You are a MuttBunch.

ok

I hate those things, they have to be the biggest noise polluters ever made.

(possible thread hijack alert):
Yeah those are kinda annoying (especially living on campus, a half mile from the dog-gon runway). ATSI has stopped operations in the last month or so...maybe cuz its too hot(???). I know our planes are grounded at 110*F or so. Thats fine though, no 7AM wakeup calls from 4 scooters Listening to them over the radio is just as annoying - sounds like they're talking to tower through a Cambell's soup can.

 

[klingon67]

Honestly what did you expect? no noise! That far from the airport the A/C are a couple thousand feet AGL , how bad can it be? It has to be better than the smell of horse manure out there. I heard Tombstone is nice.

 

[Resume Writer]

Honestly what did you expect? no noise! That far from the airport the A/C are a couple thousand feet AGL , how bad can it be? It has to be better than the smell of horse manure out there. I heard Tombstone is nice.

Well, since I like horses, I don't have a problem, although I have not smelled any horse manure out here!

Now, as to what I expected. When you read a public report when buying a house, and you ask specifically if you are in a flight pattern, I expect to be told the truth.

How bad is the noise? Well, that depends on which aircraft is flying overhead. The fighter jets in formation screaming over the house is a little loud. Or the KC-135 (at least that is what I think it is) doing whatever training pattern they perform. There is another aircraft that I'm not sure what it is, but it is military (high wing, two or four prop engines), that flew VERY low over my house was a loud one.

The traffic now is not too bad. However, the reason for my post was to ascertain what the traffic COULD be like in the future. That is why I asked about the flight patterns and altitude.

Maybe a move to Tombstone is in my future, although I think that is pretty close to either Fort Huachuca or Davis-Monthan AFB!

Kathy