WHY WHY WHY..why R we hiring 210 hr pilots?

[808pilot]

hey 'ihaveapension'.....you're right, the kid looks like a punk....but i find it hard for you to make any kind of a point when that picture was taken by the captain....thanks for showing us that captain is setting a good example for his 'punk' fo.....

bafanguy...right on.....

 

[IHaveAPension]

hey 'ihaveapension'.....you're right, the kid looks like a punk....but i find it hard for you to make any kind of a point when that picture was taken by the captain....thanks for showing us that captain is setting a good example for his 'punk' fo.....

bafanguy...right on.....

I'm more that confident that the captain is a punk too! That's the problem with most commuters, they are all inbred, punk f/o to punk captain who think their $hit don't stink because they fly a cool RJ.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm more that confident that the captain is a punk too! That's the problem with most commuters, they are all inbred, punk f/o to punk captain who think their $hit don't stink because they fly a cool RJ.

As opposed to being an ultra-cool ABX/DHL wannabe that spends hours upon hours posting flamebait and drivel on the board under a vast multitude of names?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

As opposed to being an ultra-cool ABX/DHL wannabe that spends hours upon hours posting flamebait and drivel on the board under a vast multitude of names?

Pwned. Good game.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Quick question, do you Captains get this heartburn from the low time or from the attitudes?

I started out with a 121 carrier with low time, 1200/300, but I, like my whole class, took a huge bite of humble pie before going to training and going online and really had no problems. The guys my Captains complained about the most were the ones with the real crappy attitudes, like wanting to fly a jet and not a T prop, complaining about being junior manned for 1 day out of the month, etc.

Most guys are happy to have a job and are thrilled to be where they are and want to learn from you guys. It seems like the willingness to "teach" a new FO the ins and outs (im not talking basic flying skills) is going downhill. You older guys need to step up your game and realize 99% of us (FOs) want to learn and love our job. Don't beat on us so hard for making small mistakes or asking questions just because you had a bad experience with a SJS FO.

The best captains I fly with are always giving me little tidbits on how to do this or that with the operation or with the airplane and letting me make my own mistakes and fix them without hacking up a hairball, the worst are the ones who second guess every single decision, sit there and shake there heads, etc. I don't want or need my hand held, but there is a reason you are the Captain and I am the FO, YOUVE DONE THIS BEFORE! Share the knowledge!

 

[RichardRambone]

Dang right DC-8.

 

[AMCKLC]

I have not heard from any of the 200hr guys. I am self being a 200 hr that works at ASA/Skywest. ( I just broke 500hrs last month) I must admit that it has been a real challenge. I have made mistakes. I still get caught on the low end of the power curve sometimes during 20+ kt X-wind landing. What else does anyone want to know?

 

[IHaveAPension]

I have not heard from any of the 200hr guys. I am self being a 200 hr that works at ASA/Skywest. ( I just broke 500hrs last month) I must admit that it has been a real challenge. I have made mistakes. I still get caught on the low end of the power curve sometimes during 20+ kt X-wind landing. What else does anyone want to know?

Hey AMCKLC, you mean to tell me that they did not teach you how to land a jet in a crosswind during your ERAU CAPT training? Where elsw would you have gotten a DC-9 type rating? I bet the guys love flying with you!

 

[bafanguy]

Quick question, do you Captains get this heartburn from the low time or from the attitudes?

I started out with a 121 carrier with low time, 1200/300, but I, like my whole class, took a huge bite of humble pie before going to training and going online and really had no problems. The guys my Captains complained about the most were the ones with the real crappy attitudes, like wanting to fly a jet and not a T prop, complaining about being junior manned for 1 day out of the month, etc.

Most guys are happy to have a job and are thrilled to be where they are and want to learn from you guys. It seems like the willingness to "teach" a new FO the ins and outs (im not talking basic flying skills) is going downhill. You older guys need to step up your game and realize 99% of us (FOs) want to learn and love our job. Don't beat on us so hard for making small mistakes or asking questions just because you had a bad experience with a SJS FO.

The best captains I fly with are always giving me little tidbits on how to do this or that with the operation or with the airplane and letting me make my own mistakes and fix them without hacking up a hairball, the worst are the ones who second guess every single decision, sit there and shake there heads, etc. I don't want or need my hand held, but there is a reason you are the Captain and I am the FO, YOUVE DONE THIS BEFORE! Share the knowledge!

DC8flyer,

You said what I was trying to say, only better than I did, and from the right side of the cockpit. You demonstrated the attitude I was trying to explain.

Attitude is a huge determinant as it drives most other factors in the equation.

It's unfortunate this thread deteriorated into the "histrionics" I mention in my original post and prevented anything remembling an intelligent discourse. Apparently, a little anger management is in order for some. Let's see...we've managed to work in PFT, RJ's, SJS, "mine doesn't stink, but yours does", "you didn't come along the way I did so YOU are inferior", what happened to scabs ??...no one worked scabs into the "discussion".

I'm waiting...don't disappoint me.

Angry outbursts hardly add to the debate.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

DC8flyer,

You said what I was trying to say, only better than I did, and from the right side of the cockpit. You demonstrated the attitude I was trying to explain.

Attitude is a huge determinant as it drives most other factors in the equation.

It's unfortunate this thread deteriorated into the "histrionics" I mention in my original post and prevented anything remembling an intelligent discourse. Apparently, a little anger management is in order for some. Let's see...we've managed to work in PFT, RJ's, SJS, "mine doesn't stink, but yours does", "you didn't come along the way I did so YOU are inferior", what happened to scabs ??...no one worked scabs into the "discussion".

I'm waiting...don't disappoint me.

Angry outbursts hardly add to the debate.

Anyone who went to ERAU or Purdue is a scab!

 

[dabandermac]

that punk is a 23 year old captain at pinnacle...honestly. i must admit i feel safer having that yahoo at the controls...

This is what you get when you hire punks to fly RJ's...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/10445022/181262593CNYBYC

 

[fam62c]

Why are we hiring 210 hour pilots?

Because there is a ready supply of these people and they are willing to work for what the small airlines will pay.

 

[joe_pilot]

So a guy with 800 hours in a 172 is more qualified than the guy with 200 hours in the same type of airplane?

...

Yes

 

[Mugs]

All the experienced pilots on furlough in this industry, yet look at the experience level of the guy that was in the right seat of the Pinnacle CRJ that went down in Missouri. I had a discussion with an MBA neighbor (that doesn't know much about our industry) after he read the WSJ article about the accident. He asked about the possibility of me going back to flying the small jets that he has flown on if I lost my current job. I asked him if he would move or commute several hundred miles for a 17K a year job. After I explained how all this works, he just couldn't believe it. But he came away with much more insight into the article he read. Sad.

 

[Tarzan]

I have not heard from any of the 200hr guys. I am self being a 200 hr that works at ASA/Skywest. ( I just broke 500hrs last month) I must admit that it has been a real challenge. I have made mistakes. I still get caught on the low end of the power curve sometimes during 20+ kt X-wind landing. What else does anyone want to know?

And they hire these guys over 1200 hour guys because they paid up?!?!? W....T.......F?????????? Sorry bud but guys like you are whats driving the pay down out there. Why would an airline want to pay someone when they can get someone to pay them for the same training? The thing you guys that paid your money forget is that no amount of money can buy experience or judgement. You only get that with time in the seat.