Why someone SHOULD become a pilot

[Way2Broke]

So since I got put on the street, like so many other pilots are or have been in the past I got to pondering why I became a pilot in the first place, and if I should have done it in the first place. I began flying in April 2001 with the intention of flying a RJ and progressing onto a major. At the time I was 19 years old and clueless. I saw aviation as a mysterious creature that no matter how much you read about it you couldn't understand what it was like until you actually did it. I made many mistakes in my quest to get paid to fly for a living, and I am a better person for having made them. So on to what I think I have learned.

If you get into aviation to make money and enjoy what you have "read about it" you are in it for all the wrong reasons. How do I know, I got into aviation for money. Of course it didn't take long to realize that if your in flying for the money your in it for the wrong reason. After years of struggling with student loan payments, and low paying jobs I can attest to that. If you think that two years, or hell even ten years, after going to flight school you will enjoy traveling the world, drive fancy cars, and have a trophy wife at the house that takes care of your kids you are in it for the wrong reason. If you think that people will be impressed that you fly a jet, you are in it for the wrong reason. So why should you get into aviation. One word, adventure.

With aviation you never know what is right around the corner, both at work and in life. You never know when the next emergency will present itself, or when you might have to drastically change how you live to accommodate the current job market. You will meet all kinds of people, develop a attitude that most people will not understand, and more than likely learn how to be very humble, even though you might not express that attitude. It might take a while, but sooner than later you will realize that if you stick with aviation you are in for one hell of a ride. Every minute, good and bad, develops who you are as a person. You will start to watch people that work a 9-5 and think that they live in a close minded world that is fed to them with a spoon, or you will start to think that they have it all figured out. In which case you might want to do a day in their shoes. You will go through good times, and bad, but all along your doing things that most people only dream of.

So my point, most people get into aviation because they read a glossy ad in a flying magazine that promises the world, but people stay in aviation because they enjoy a adventure. If you want a adventure, aviation never disappoints. Take the good with the bad, be proactive, and remember, most people dream of doing what we do.

Oh, by the way, I never flew a RJ and I don't think I want to fly for a Major, but who knows, it's all part of the ride. Let the adventure continue.

 

[avbug]

The downturns can be discouraging. I've seen them come and go, over and over. I've been cut loose more than a few times, like many in this business. I've found temporary work. I've found steady work. I've found no work. Time and time again. Many moves. Scraping by at times. Lost a family along the way...but still here.

Adventure is okay, if it's what you want. You'll certainly find it,if you look. Perhaps even if you don't.

I clearly remember an evening long ago as I stood by the hulk of a Corsair on a ramp in the evening, just as the sun went down. Nobody was around nearby. I stood in shadow of the airplane, touching the fuselage. I heard the echo of whispers of those who riveted it together, those who flew it, those who maintained it, those who painted it, and in my head those voices were in harmony with my own.

I remember the uncontained excitement as a kid of approaching the airport, first seeing the vertical stabs poking up above hangars and trees, and then clawing to get out of the car as it pulled to a halt; a magical place built for kids of all ages...the airport, the sky.

Countless rogallo gliders carefully crafted in school out of paper and straws snaked from the cafeteria, throwing paper planes at brakes, dogfights etched on desks, long hours cycling to the airport in the dark to wash and scrub airplane bellies in exchange for a pitance in flight time.

The absolute untamed solitude of a dimly lit cockpit on a calm night with an unyielding field of stars above, and unfettered freedom to bask in thought at near the speed of sound. Seeing the sun rise and set twice in one day, and reducing days and nights to three or four hours as a metalic primitive time machine makes one continent vanish and another appear.

The miracle of parting clouds to reveal a lighted runway centered perfectly in the windscreen. The choking thickness of exhaust in the cockpit, stinging eyes, burning the nose and throat in an open cockpit during a fast turn on the ground. The blur of wheat a few inches beneath the wheels as the plains of kansas unfold below, to vanish in a cloud of poison behind. The majesty of a golden eagle off my wingtip on one side, a pine tree close on the other as we both skim the alpine hilltops.

There are a million reasons to fly; these are a few I can think of off-hand. They range from the spiritual to the economic, but I do know when some force separates me from my pathetic form of a body one day, my sole regret may be that I didn't fly just one more hour. Reasons to fly are without end. One day I hope to have seen them all.

 

[ALIMBO]

I went out tonight in the great City of Chicago to a very busy bar only to find myself more annoyed that I went out because I have to be up at 7 to fly. Like the good friend I am I knew I wasn't going to drink since I had to fly so I drove for the night. We got to the bar and mingled with tons of people and as I was standing and watching all the drunk idiots have a good time I realized something. No matter how many nights you get drunk and go off with random bitches it could never surpass flying. I wouldn't trade one lap around the pattern for a good night of drinking any day. Is there something wrong with me? I got royally bitched at by my friend's for having to take them home so early mind you 1:15AM apparently is to early when you need to be up at 6:30AM and flying at 8 on the dot. How can people not understand that flying no matter how fun it is, is still a difficult process even if it comes natural to you. I for one am not looking at my 6 hours of basically non stop flying tomorrow as a great time but will I regret doing it? Of course not I guess Im just old fashioned and don't think like most 21 year olds o well.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

So since I got put on the street, like so many other pilots are or have been in the past I got to pondering why I became a pilot in the first place, and if I should have done it in the first place. I began flying in April 2001 with the intention of flying a RJ and progressing onto a major. At the time I was 19 years old and clueless. I saw aviation as a mysterious creature that no matter how much you read about it you couldn't understand what it was like until you actually did it. I made many mistakes in my quest to get paid to fly for a living, and I am a better person for having made them. So on to what I think I have learned.

If you get into aviation to make money and enjoy what you have "read about it" you are in it for all the wrong reasons. How do I know, I got into aviation for money. Of course it didn't take long to realize that if your in flying for the money your in it for the wrong reason. After years of struggling with student loan payments, and low paying jobs I can attest to that. If you think that two years, or hell even ten years, after going to flight school you will enjoy traveling the world, drive fancy cars, and have a trophy wife at the house that takes care of your kids you are in it for the wrong reason. If you think that people will be impressed that you fly a jet, you are in it for the wrong reason. So why should you get into aviation. One word, adventure.

With aviation you never know what is right around the corner, both at work and in life. You never know when the next emergency will present itself, or when you might have to drastically change how you live to accommodate the current job market. You will meet all kinds of people, develop a attitude that most people will not understand, and more than likely learn how to be very humble, even though you might not express that attitude. It might take a while, but sooner than later you will realize that if you stick with aviation you are in for one hell of a ride. Every minute, good and bad, develops who you are as a person. You will start to watch people that work a 9-5 and think that they live in a close minded world that is fed to them with a spoon, or you will start to think that they have it all figured out. In which case you might want to do a day in their shoes. You will go through good times, and bad, but all along your doing things that most people only dream of.

So my point, most people get into aviation because they read a glossy ad in a flying magazine that promises the world, but people stay in aviation because they enjoy a adventure. If you want a adventure, aviation never disappoints. Take the good with the bad, be proactive, and remember, most people dream of doing what we do.

Oh, by the way, I never flew a RJ and I don't think I want to fly for a Major, but who knows, it's all part of the ride. Let the adventure continue.

There is certainly NOTHING wrong with being in this business for the money.

If it didn't pay what it did, I would not be doing it.

While sadly, 100K really is not much these days, making between 100-200K by just having a few decent type ratings and some networking skills really is not too bad.....especially if you are lucky enough to grab great QOL with that pay.

I can 100% say I'm pretty much in it for the money, have been for a while..is this bad?..I get my adventure out of the free time aviation provides to spend time with my family and hobbies. It's a job, it does NOT define my life. For that I'm very thankful.

Flying just does not provide "adventure" anymore, it has not for a long time. Is it fun? sometimes...work with good people?....I do! but adventure?...nah.

Its a great way to make a decent living - but Id hand in the certificates in a second if someone would pay me more to stay home and play (anyone?)

anyhow - I hope your umemployment is short lived and something better comes your way soon.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Life is tough. Look at the great life you have had to this point. You just have to keep battling. You will get to where you want to go.

 

[2000Easyguy]

There is certainly NOTHING wrong with being in this business for the money.

If it didn't pay what it did, I would not be doing it.

While sadly, 100K really is not much these days, making between 100-200K by just having a few decent type ratings and some networking skills really is not too bad.....especially if you are lucky enough to grab great QOL with that pay.

I can 100% say I'm pretty much in it for the money, have been for a while..is this bad?..I get my adventure out of the free time aviation provides to spend time with my family and hobbies. It's a job, it does NOT define my life. For that I'm very thankful.

Flying just does not provide "adventure" anymore, it has not for a long time. Is it fun? sometimes...work with good people?....I do! but adventure?...nah.

Its a great way to make a decent living - but Id hand in the certificates in a second if someone would pay me more to stay home and play (anyone?)

anyhow - I hope your umemployment is short lived and something better comes your way soon.

x 2. If aviation gave me some sort of spiritual high, I would have chosen a career outside aviation and purchased a plane.

 

[flytheblue]

I've been laid off a few times already. It goes with this career...when the industry is doing good, things are great and business is booming, but it is notoriously flaky and can turn on a dime. When things are going too well, I get suspicious!

 

[WabiSabi]

Flying just does not provide "adventure" anymore, it has not for a long time. Is it fun? sometimes...work with good people?....I do! but adventure?...nah.

Although "the adventure" is not constant (nor should it be), I wholeheartedly disagree. I'll just say that some parts of the industry provides more opportunity for adventure than others. Not to mention, "adventure" is subjective. I'm fortunate enough to have a flying job that has me globe trotting and I try to do as much as possible on the layovers. I definitely see it as an adventure. Put me in the whistling while packing column.

 

[Way2Broke]

There is certainly NOTHING wrong with being in this business for the money.

If it didn't pay what it did, I would not be doing it.

While sadly, 100K really is not much these days, making between 100-200K by just having a few decent type ratings and some networking skills really is not too bad.....especially if you are lucky enough to grab great QOL with that pay.

I can 100% say I'm pretty much in it for the money, have been for a while..is this bad?..I get my adventure out of the free time aviation provides to spend time with my family and hobbies. It's a job, it does NOT define my life. For that I'm very thankful.

Flying just does not provide "adventure" anymore, it has not for a long time. Is it fun? sometimes...work with good people?....I do! but adventure?...nah.

Its a great way to make a decent living - but Id hand in the certificates in a second if someone would pay me more to stay home and play (anyone?)

anyhow - I hope your umemployment is short lived and something better comes your way soon.

Thanks for the kind words about my unemployment. Is your company hiring?

I think that you prove my point exactly, you said it yourself, if you could make more money doing something else you would leave flying. What I said is that people often get into flying for the money, but people stay in it for the adventure. I can see how you could get "trapped" by the money, but it sounds to me like your flying is still allowing you to have plenty of adventures. You don't have to be at work to partake in "the ride" so to speak.

This is a personal choice, but when I am out on the road, and the schedule allows me to do so, I enjoy doing things. This includes going to museums, aquariums, parks, and generally going out and meeting new and interesting people. That's what keeps me going, but then again I have never been rich. Hell, I have never even made more than what it takes to make ends meet. More often than not I have made less than what was required to pay my bills, and have had to really scrounge to make it work. This is mostly because of the high price I foolishly paid to get my flight training. Like I said, I was 19 and ignorant. One day I hope to be rich, and maybe that will change how I view things. I personally think 100 k is a bunch of money, but I wouldn't ever turn down more. We are a two income house, so if we could bring in 200k a year for the house, I think we would live kings and queens, respectively.



To you Mr. Avbug, that was a very nice poetic post. I too hope to experience it all before I die. But I am hoping I can do more aviation things as a hobby, like get my glider rating, float plane rating, and if I am truly lucky own a "toy plane" one day. I have alot of adventure left in me, but I am hoping that a "career job" in in the plans sooner rather than later. I'm truly tired of the job hopping, either forced or due to professional development.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thanks for the kind words about my unemployment. Is your company hiring?

Not right now..:0 but very possibly in the Spring as new aircraft will be arriving.....

For one, I would look to get out of Michigan, I have relatives there and it has to be, by far, the most depressed area/job market in the country!

I think you said its a 2 income household? maybe harder to pick up and move, mut I wouldn't want to be shopping for a flying job in your area.

Hit all the corp job sites? there seems to be postings daily so there must be SOME hiring going on.

Best of Luck, something will come up.

 

[Way2Broke]

Not sure how much reading you have done on other threads I have posted on, but we are both pilots, and we both got cut. So there is absolutely nothing holding us to Michigan. In Fact, Michigan will not be missed by either one of us.

In a year and a half we were robbed twice, and layed of once. I think the time has come to pack it up and move on. We are stuck in a lease until the end of October. Thank God we did not buy a house.

Sorry for the tread drift.

 

[2000Easyguy]

"I think that you prove my point exactly, you said it yourself, if you could make more money doing something else you would leave flying. What I said is that people often get into flying for the money, but people stay in it for the adventure. I can see how you could get "trapped" by the money, but it sounds to me like your flying is still allowing you to have plenty of adventures. You don't have to be at work to partake in "the ride" so to speak." Quote WAY2Broke.



I stay in this business for the money. Like G-200 said, I too, would leave job to be with the family, if compensation was equal.
Adventure with loved ones is more gratifying then being alone or with crew members.

Wish you well in your search!

 

[pilotyip]

Do it because you like to

Fly because you like to, if you want to be a pilot you stay in the cockpit. It is always easier to get a flying job when you have flying job. Don't be afraid to move to a different place and a different job. Never burn a bridge. Always have a plan B, live below your means, and always look at the good side of every situation, negative vibes can really get you down.

 

[NYCPilot]

Great post Avbug.

Althoguh I havent a fraction of your experience, I can relate to the things you cherish and treasure about airplanes, airfields and aviaton in general.

thanksfor reminding us of the beauty aviation still holds, even with this terrible climate. fuel is the blood of aviation.

 

[SRProductions]

With aviation you never know what is right around the corner, both at work and in life. You never know when the next emergency will present itself, or when you might have to drastically change how you live to accommodate the current job market. You will meet all kinds of people, develop a attitude that most people will not understand, and more than likely learn how to be very humble, even though you might not express that attitude. It might take a while, but sooner than later you will realize that if you stick with aviation you are in for one hell of a ride. Every minute, good and bad, develops who you are as a person. You will start to watch people that work a 9-5 and think that they live in a close minded world that is fed to them with a spoon, or you will start to think that they have it all figured out. In which case you might want to do a day in their shoes. You will go through good times, and bad, but all along your doing things that most people only dream of.

VERY WELL SAID

 

[say again]

I became a pilot for both the love of flying and a potential for a decent income. Initially starting certainly wasn't for the money, but as years go by QOL and income become more important. My love of flying isn't going to pay the bills. but the income will.

 

[phr8dawg]

I am a pilot because I like airplanes and I like weather. Sliding out under a low ceiling in 1800 RVR and picking out the lights in an old freighter is an experience no groundpounder could really understand. I've lived well below my means for years to do it. But growing old with nothing but a fat logbook and a bunch of old stories nobody wants to hear seems to be part of the price. So is missing countless birthdays, cookouts, and times with friends. Is it worth it? No.

I've talked more than a few students out of a career in this because I think this is a better hobby than an occupation. But so far I haven't found anything else I like as much. I agree with the prior observation that the average 9 to 5 employee has his life spoonfed to him and never really questions the point of it all.

I read a quote somewhere that life grinds down all of our hard edges until we finally rattle into the hole we were supposed to be in from the beginning. We create our destiny,but God's motive remains unclear until the end.

Enough angst. I propose a new thread: Best poverty story. I once had just $5 left for seven days so I had nothing but hot dogs, buns, and cheap BBQ sauce. To this day, I hate that brand. Ramen forever!

 

[pilotyip]

money?

I became a pilot for both the love of flying and a potential for a decent income. Initially starting certainly wasn't for the money, but as years go by QOL and income become more important. My love of flying isn't going to pay the bills. but the income will.

What will pay the bills, pilot's pay is good compared to many other jobs.

 

[cjdriver]

One soon enough finds out that life is short. If there's something you dreamed of doing, now is the time to do it. This may or may not include making money.
Myself, I wanted to follow in my fathers footsteps and fly, I also wanted to be an engineer. I was able to do both. One financed the other, and allowed me to have a high quality of life as well, which includes aircraft ownership. It also allowed me to do it all on my own, without financial support from my parents. This was important to me, although it isn't to everyone, nor should it be. Bottom line, if you have a dream, you owe it to yourself to pursue it. At the end of your life, you might want to be able to look back and say that you did the things you wanted to.

 

[say again]

What will pay the bills, pilot's pay is good compared to many other jobs.

Hence my point. I got into aviation as a career for both the income and my love of flying. If I wasn't making a decent income, I would find a new career and fly on the side, for fun. I do not need to do that because I am making a comfortable salary, with a potential to make much more. I couldn't go back to the regionals because of the pay. I love flying, but not to the point where I'm living near the poverty level.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Good post. I know this might sound gay, but there's a Bette Midler song called "The Rose" and speaks of those who are too afraid to follow their dreams. Love really, but fits dreams just as well. It's kind of touching. (you can find it on youtube or google the lyrics) Failure and fear prevent too many talented people from following their true desires (callings!) and instead bury themselves in excuses and subjective rationalizations. We all know a professional pilot career will always be a dream and one worth chasing.

Carpe Diem and follow those dreams!

LIFE is SHORT and can easily be truncated at a moments notice.

One soon enough finds out that life is short. If there's something you dreamed of doing, now is the time to do it. This may or may not include making money.
Myself, I wanted to follow in my fathers footsteps and fly, I also wanted to be an engineer. I was able to do both. One financed the other, and allowed me to have a high quality of life as well, which includes aircraft ownership. It also allowed me to do it all on my own, without financial support from my parents. This was important to me, although it isn't to everyone, nor should it be. Bottom line, if you have a dream, you owe it to yourself to pursue it. At the end of your life, you might want to be able to look back and say that you did the things you wanted to.

 

[waka]

I agree with the prior observation that the average 9 to 5 employee has his life spoonfed to him and never really questions the point of it all.

I completely disagree. It is arrogant to say such a thing.

And no, I'm not a 9 to 5'er

 

[phr8dawg]

Sorry, it is offensive, but I did say "average." Not enough people question their reality or ask themselves if there even is a plan or a better path. I admire those who better the human condition and act on their convictions. Pilots are equipment operators, and beyond a sacred trust to the safety of our passengers and equipment, we just drive a big machine that's red and white and looks like a BIG TYLENOL. My name is ##**+ and I am an aviaholic. That is no joke. Fly safe!

 

[pilotyip]

Sorry, it is offensive, but I did say "average." Not enough people question their reality or ask themselves if there even is a plan or a better path. I admire those who better the human condition and act on their convictions. Pilots are equipment operators, and beyond a sacred trust to the safety of our passengers and equipment, we just drive a big machine that's red and white and looks like a BIG TYLENOL. My name is ##**+ and I am an aviaholic. That is no joke. Fly safe!

You have the big picture, you are truely blessed. Lets go to the "Wedge" and talk flying stories.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I am in it for the fun, girls and the money $$$$

Way2Broke, Hang in there if you are savvy and work hard and make connections something else will come along in short time.

I decided early on that that I was not going to fly till I could pay cash for all training no student loans, and that regionals, airlines, freight where not my thing because of the low pay so I started ferrying aircraft it took about a year to get myself established in the industry's.

There is a post from me when I had almost hit bottom in aviation about $5.00 in my pocket was thinking of selling my house I was even kicked off of a forum for the post.

Now a bit over a year since that post I have kept my family together through the hard times and have been working super hard making connections.

Now, I have just paid my house off and have established myself in the industry not as the cheapest but as getting the job done and have steady clients all over the world.

There is no other feeling like flying an over gross weight single engine to light twin over the ocean's ending up in some exotic places most of all having your own schedule.

If you want to make it happen it's up to you.

My current plate,

SR22 to Hawaii
182 to Spain
Seneca V to Philippines

November 1st type Single Pilot CE-525 (To Thailand)

 

[avbug]

November 1st type Single Pilot CE-525 (To Thailand)

Thanks for the heads-up. We'll clear the calendar between Nov 2 and the 5th for the funeral.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Thanks for the heads-up. We'll clear the calendar between Nov 2 and the 5th for the funeral.

Bug no offense but your not invited if I was to have one.

 

[avbug]

No offense at all. There are more people betting on when you'll buy the farm than there are people who could fit in any venue to commiserate, and certainly there would be no more room for another card that says "I told you so."

Given your past and your history, one can only guess who might be stupid enough to put you in a citation, let alone single pilot, to go anywhere...around the pattern for that matter, let alone Thailand.

It wasn't your comments about losing your house that got you booted, incidentally. It was your unbridled rudeness and disrespect, coupled with idiotic commentary and behavior unbecoming a drunk sanitation worker (to say nothing of a pilot).

 

[momalley81]

It wasn't your comments about losing your house that got you booted, incidentally. It was your unbridled rudeness and disrespect, coupled with idiotic commentary and behavior unbecoming a drunk sanitation worker (to say nothing of a pilot).

HEY! My dad used to be a sanitation worker. I take offense to him being compared to NW_pilot! He could speak in complete sentences, knew the difference between your/you're, and the proper use of punctuation.

:laugh:

 

[avbug]

Sorry, that was very insensitive of me. I did consider it when making the comment, but apparently without the full ramifications of it's impact on the sanitation industry.

Your father probably also wouldn't be arrogant enough to go from a Cessna 150 maintained by the local discount merchant to a single pilot CE525 type, either.

NW Pilot is really our favorite chew toy, sort of a train wreck in motion from which one just can't look away. The entertainment is even greater in his case, however, because he's proud of it...in the same way a dog soils one's porch and then wants a reward, I suppose.

In fairness to your father, then, let me ammend my comparison not to a drunk sanitation worker, but instead a sanitation worker that has been kidnapped by eco terrorists and forced to perform job related functions in a drugged-up stupor, contrary to all OSHA regulation. Better?