Why No Foam on Runway for JetBlue Landing

[CitationXDriver]

Any reasons why they didnt foam the runway before the landing??

 

[Tarzan]

The guy used all but about 1000 feet of that 12000 runway. I think I probably would have rather deferred on the foam due to what it would do to braking action.

 

[viper548]

They had less than 1000' left when they stopped. The foam may have made them go off the end.

 

[viper548]

The foam would probably make it harder to control the plane, like driving on snow

 

[CitationXDriver]

Gotcha, all makes sense. Now who makes this call on the foam?? Im assuming PIC can trump anyones call for foaming the runway?

 

[viper548]

It's the PIC's call

 

[Dangerkitty]

From what I have heard foaming the runway has almost become a thing of the past.

Luckily I have never needed it.

 

[Bandit60]

One of the problems with the foam is keeping directional control of the airplane when it lands. In this case not only could it have gone off the end of the runway but it could have slid off the side of the runway and created a real accident.

 

[Fly_Chick]

I was wondering about the amount of runway left after stopping. Would the pilots have avoided using breaks as long as possible after the nose gear was down?

 

[Bandit60]

I was wondering about the amount of runway left after stopping. Would the pilots have avoided using breaks as long as possible after the nose gear was down?

Just a guess...but when you apply the breaks it transfers alot of the weight to the nose of the airplane. I have a feeling they didnt want anymore weight on the nose that was totally necessary. Just a guess

 

[Redmeat]

From what I have heard foaming the runway has almost become a thing of the past.

Luckily I have never needed it.

Exactly right. They don't foam the runway anymore.


It was proven to be useless.

Edit: Hey pilotyip, if you're out there, this is the kind of thing they teach you when you get an aviation degree.

 

[Huggyu2]

Brakes. Breaks (sic).

 

[FreightNazi]

I heard on TV that the crew did an autolanding, that's why it looked so good.

 

[Fly_Chick]

Brakes. Breaks (sic).

I am humbly corrected!

 

[Redmeat]

I heard on TV that the crew did an autolanding, that's why it looked so good.

Your days on flightinfo number in the single digits my friend.

He has posted this exact response 5 times. check his posts.

 

[Lead Sled]

Gotcha, all makes sense. Now who makes this call on the foam?? Im assuming PIC can trump anyones call for foaming the runway?

FWIW, I remember reading a few years ago that the charge (back then) to foam a runway was $50,000. (Who knows what it would cost now?) Someone gets to pay the bill and it's normally not the insurance company. If "they" elect to foam the runway then "they" get to pay the bill. If you ask to have the runway foamed then the bill is your problem.

Knowing that there are many light aircraft accidental gear-up landings each year and that there is relatively little airframe damage, I would be personally inclined (with the concurrence of my banker) to forego the foam. Now if I was back 60 years ago, flying a shot-up warbird, with fuel leaking out of a bunch of bullet holes then I'd probably ask for the foam.

'Sled

 

[cforst513]

so this is a stupid question, but once a runway is foamed, do they just hose it off the runway with water later? does it eventually break down due to the sun/rain, or do they send bulldozers/snow plows out to push it off? i've never dealt with it before.

 

[Dangerkitty]

so this is a stupid question, but once a runway is foamed, do they just hose it off the runway with water later? does it eventually break down due to the sun/rain, or do they send bulldozers/snow plows out to push it off? i've never dealt with it before.

Look at some of the earlier posts in this thread. Foam is no longer used.

However, back when they did use foam I would have no idea how they would de-contaminate the runway.

 

[cforst513]

yes, i do suppose that actually reading the thread would prevent me from looking this dumb. lesson learned!

 

[atrdriver]

I heard on TV that the crew did an autolanding, that's why it looked so good.

For Gods sake, how many forums are you going to say that in???