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FastJP4 said:
Raise, cost of living increase, UPS format of pay etc. etc. are all bogus. Latest supplied intel should sober up any of those thoughts.
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I stand corrected. It now appears that we will not be getting a pay raise and moving towards a UPS payscale system. What was actually said was that some of us will be tossing boxes for UPS next year.

Let's see if the furloughs follow seniority this go around.
 
This is textbook Fred Greed. Fear mongering to get us to play his game. He's been at flex for what 2 months and the word furlough has already come out of his mouth. All we've been hearing for the last 2 years is how awesome we are and now that he is here; all we hear is how bad the situation looks and we should all feel lucky to have a job. Sure feels good to have some airline puke running us into the ground while he makes millions on our efficiencies. What was flex thinking when they hired this tool?
 
You guys are the masters of spreading the bad news around without the real facts.
Listen to the Top guy last quarter report!!.......
· They’re accelerating the retirement of aircraft that was supposed to be retired next year.
· Substantial fleet expansion plans for next year. All together with airplanes going away and new ones coming in still will show a net growth.
· Currently exploring International markets and looking very closely at the long haul aircraft (Global X)
· Challenger 300 fleet will continue to growth more and more since is the most wanted airplane by our owners.
· Many of our owners already signing up for the new Lear 85.

Soooo…………………………………
Furloughs? Possibly NOT if this all works fine! But this economy is terrible and the market is very tough now. Our new elected president (OBAMA) wants to raise taxes to people to makes more than $250.000 a year and this is clearly the kind of people we fly.
On the bright side FXJT is financially healthy and we have all the support from our BIG MAMA bombardier, which allow us to ride these difficult times.
My best advices to all of you is,… do your best job out there, lay low, and provides our owners with the best customer service possible.
 
GSXR600 said:
You guys are the masters of spreading the bad news around without the real facts.
Listen to the Top guy last quarter report!!.......
· They’re accelerating the retirement of aircraft that was supposed to be retired next year.
· Substantial fleet expansion plans for next year. All together with airplanes going away and new ones coming in still will show a net growth.
· Currently exploring International markets and looking very closely at the long haul aircraft (Global X)
· Challenger 300 fleet will continue to growth more and more since is the most wanted airplane by our owners.
· Many of our owners already signing up for the new Lear 85.

Soooo…………………………………
Furloughs? Possibly NOT if this all works fine! But this economy is terrible and the market is very tough now. Our new elected president (OBAMA) wants to raise taxes to people to makes more than $250.000 a year and this is clearly the kind of people we fly.
On the bright side FXJT is financially healthy and we have all the support from our BIG MAMA bombardier, which allow us to ride these difficult times.
My best advices to all of you is,… do your best job out there, lay low, and provides our owners with the best customer service possible.
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Respectfully, you've either not listened to the latest 40 minute intel provided or are drinking some real strong coolade - or both. The "F" word is rampent right now, from management to office down to the guys providing "best in class" on the line. Company is financially healthy at the present time - but - flying has dropped significantly. The 40 minute info will provide information regarding fleet shrinkage and new a/c being deferred. The info is getting very consistant now - I don't think it's being put out there for nothing.
 
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GSXR600 said:
Substantial fleet expansion plans for next year. All together with airplanes going away and new ones coming in still will show a net growth.
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You sure about that? Did you watch the Video? It was stated that there was a net gain of three this year and there will be a loss next year. Otherwise how could be be overstaffed?

Smell that? its fear
 
Exploring int'l markets he did say but, he said it wouldn't be flexjet; it would be a merger of sorts. He was clear about this in his interview on ain. I think he was brought in to expand "bombardier" in international markets, not "flexjet". It's clear that a merger with someone at home or abroad is highly possible based on what I hear from the ain interview and knowing his past. Whether thats good or not we'll see in time. maybe 300pilot can chime in here with his thoughts.........
 
This thread was originally about bases. The mention of furlough has relieved the crew members from the focus of any other objective other than job security. People are already suggesting ways we can save our jobs on the company board, some even suggested concessions. Flexjet is still profitable. We still have owners waiting for delivery of their aircraft. This is the traditional slow time of the year. The holidays are approaching, and our owners will fly. Enjoy the slow times, they won't last. This rumor of furlough is primarily being generated by the crewmembers. We need to stop now. If you by into this type of leadership tactic, we will all be working more for less, in every aspect of our employed lives.
 
JokerFuel said:
If you by into this type of leadership tactic, we will all be working more for less, in every aspect of our employed lives.
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To the point and very true. This is what Fred is known for and why all Delta pilots just love him so much, now that he's gone.
 
JokerFuel said:
This thread was originally about bases. The mention of furlough has relieved the crew members from the focus of any other objective other than job security. People are already suggesting ways we can save our jobs on the company board, some even suggested concessions. Flexjet is still profitable. We still have owners waiting for delivery of their aircraft. This is the traditional slow time of the year. The holidays are approaching, and our owners will fly. Enjoy the slow times, they won't last. This rumor of furlough is primarily being generated by the crewmembers. We need to stop now. If you by into this type of leadership tactic, we will all be working more for less, in every aspect of our employed lives.
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I concur.
 
BAT31 said:
Now, more than ever, is the time for collective representation for the crewmembers of Flexjet.
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Agreed.

But the timing to be starting a union drive and the ensuing collective bargaining process is terrible. A good contract should have been put in place prior to the economic melt down. Hopefully once we come through this we will come together and get a good contract.
 
Nolife said:
Agreed.

But the timing to be starting a union drive and the ensuing collective bargaining process is terrible. A good contract should have been put in place prior to the economic melt down. Hopefully once we come through this we will come together and get a good contract.
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I highly doubt it will ever happen with this pilot group. Maybe in 5+ years down the road when all the older generation guys have left or are leaving. Sadly, this has to be one of the weakest pilot groups out there - and I guarentee you FG is licking his chops. Sad to see what he has created in such a short time. Zebras don't loose their stripes - the just seek out another golden parachute.
 
It's unfortunate that many of our crewmembers don't understand the value of representation. Terms like, "No Furlough Clause" and "Force Majeur (sp)" are foreign to the majority. Representation would make the pilot group privy to company financials, dictating bargaining dynamics. Until we have this, we must hang on the word (for good or ill) of the powers that be, and history has shown how that will go. Pilots would understand that items like picking up overtime, is unacceptable while the current threats loom. The list goes on and on. We are being played.
 
Not only that I've heard that some guys out there want to continue to get their 17 day lines at the cost of the less senior folks. Doesn't seem to be much cohesion or brother-hood out there.

Hopfully I'm wrong and things will work out for the best.

Obama will turn it around. :beer:
 
Nolife said:
Not only that I've heard that some guys out there want to continue to get their 17 day lines at the cost of the less senior folks. Doesn't seem to be much cohesion or brother-hood out there.

Hopfully I'm wrong and things will work out for the best.

Obama will turn it around. :beer:
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You are probably referring to this one tool that he is just a selfish idiot and thinks that he deserves to pick and choose how many days he wants to work because his time in the company. In a way he may be right, but he is just not been a team player like everyone else.
 
Seniority is a good thing and if worse comes to worse then let the junior guys go. But don't ask for extra days and put others on the street because you're unwilling to give up NFL Sunday gameday for a few months for example. You can change your spending in the short run to accomadate other peoples jobs; I'm prepared to do so and I hope others are as well.

Being unemployed right now scares me because I to stupid to learn another skill. ;)
 
Propilot77 said:
you all had a chance to fix this with a union but everyone got bought by a $15000 pay raise and crawled back into their hole!
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I said it once before here it is again!( see quote) Also why are people just volunteering to give things up when they have not even begun to fulough! People are on the bluebelly just playing into the game, it's sickening! It's amazing how you guys just want to give everything back on a possiblity! We are 10 million below budget and still making lots of money!!!! Come on guys have some integrity and self respect! I am completely for helping out our own WHEN the time comes but please don't just start selling me and yourself short by giving consessions when there is no reason for it yet!
 
Pro, I'm with you! Don't borrow sorrow. We are not even close to a crisis yet. I watch the presentation last night and all I heard was a guy hedging his bets. Some people panic way to soon.
 
I agree with you guys. We do not need to be talking about giving up anything. It sounded to me like the numbers he came up with are HIS best guess. Not sure how we went from being financially healthy to this situation in a month. I believe it would have been more productive to tell us to keep doing what we do and do our best to watch our expenses on the road. (which most of us already do) They really didnt need to broadcast the video in my opinon. But my opinon isnt worth much:)
 
So let’s just close this scary conversation about furlough that management hasn’t even mention with the actual words. Propilot is right!! WE ARE under budget actually by 12 million and still making money. This whole talk about furlough was originated by our own crewmember which is leading the rest to us to believe that we have to lower our standards and give up what we have in order to save the company and our jobs. This will only advantage management at the cost of this great pilot group.
CASE CLOSED…………LET’S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC OF WHY MANAGEMENT REFUSES TO OPEN MORE BASES!!
 
GSXR600, can't you guys keep this thread going so that we at least can continue to enjoy your avatar :laugh: .

Sorry if it was your GF I just hit on ;).
 
flyzimex said:
GSXR600, can't you guys keep this thread going so that we at least can continue to enjoy your avatar :laugh: .

Sorry if it was your GF I just hit on ;).
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....lol...non taken! She is just my weekend booty call employee that washes my bike when I ask for!
 
Being unemployed right now scares me because I to stupid to learn another skill. (NO Life)

Try some english lessons.......

There is no need to throw anyone under the bus for wanting to work. You have no idea what this person needs to supply for his family!! You have no idea what the anyone's situation is..... We all go to work to supply for our family and all else that each person is responsible for!! And until anyone knows everyone's story at Flexjet, Do not put anyone down for having to provide for whoever they are responsible for!! Furloughs suck....it's not anything we want or expect, BUT it is always a possiblity in any profession. For you nay sayers that want to cut back, then why not take a temporary leave to save jobs for others? What, no takers?? Why? You need a paycheck!!! And that is the bottom line. So if you are not in a position to take a leave of absence because you are so well off, then do not leave prejudice for those that NEED to work!!! Peace...
 
300pilot said:
Being unemployed right now scares me because I to stupid to learn another skill. (NO Life)

Try some english lessons.......

There is no need to throw anyone under the bus for wanting to work. You have no idea what this person needs to supply for his family!! You have no idea what the anyone's situation is..... We all go to work to supply for our family and all else that each person is responsible for!! And until anyone knows everyone's story at Flexjet, Do not put anyone down for having to provide for whoever they are responsible for!! Furloughs suck....it's not anything we want or expect, BUT it is always a possiblity in any profession. For you nay sayers that want to cut back, then why not take a temporary leave to save jobs for others? What, no takers?? Why? You need a paycheck!!! And that is the bottom line. So if you are not in a position to take a leave of absence because you are so well off, then do not leave prejudice for those that NEED to work!!! Peace...
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Not sure who this is directed at but I think you have to read over the thread again no one on here is talking about a certain person! I know what person you are talking about but this is not about that situation at all! His situation is completely different. I have done my part to help with that.
 

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