Why is SKW getting rid of the CMR planes

[N813CA]

How can it be Comair's fault you don't get a good contract. We are owned by two different companies. I don't understand how our LOA affects you now.

 

[DGdaPilot]

I'm waiting for your enlightenment.

There's no point in me enlightening you.....would you really listen anyway? That's what I thought.

 

[Smoked Toilet]

I appreciate the sentiment, but will you refuse the 40 aircraft coming from Comair?

Is it my decision to make?

Let's think a little harder before we make all of our airlines look worse guys.

Once again, good luck Comair guys. Most of us are on the same team.

st

 

[bvt1151]

Is it my decision to make?

yes, it is.

 

[Smoked Toilet]

Alright Smart A$$,

I just voted no...

Now, we wont't take those planes.. Thanks for your help.

 

[bvt1151]

Alright Smart A$$,

I just voted no...

Now, we wont't take those planes.. Thanks for your help.

Really, I wasn't being smart. I meant no disrespect at all.

 

[Bluto]

Really, I wasn't being smart. I meant no disrespect at all.

How do you think SkyWest pilots can have any control over taking aircraft from anybody?

 

[FL990]

I've been hearing a lot about SKW sending the 10 Comair planes back to Delta. Why? Is this recent news or has it been planned for a while? Are they being replaced with other planes?

If i am not mistaken, these planes have been going back to cmr for a while...that is what the GCAS airplanes are for i believe.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I am not pleased that it appears our brothers at Comair are potentially looking at a fleet reduction, but to recharaterize their concessions as being "preservation" instead of "growth" is just not being honest, is it? The pay cut was for growth and without growth my understanding is the pay snaps back.

Comair is a good operation. ASA just had the luck to be in the right place.

The scary thing is that we know that the Comair pilots will do whatever it takes to get airplanes - even to the point of stabbing the pilots who supported them in the back to engage in a little predatory bargaining of their own. The Comair pilots are not alone, there is a lot of pilots who will jump at any opportunity - that is why we need a better national union.

 

[jetflyer]

Talked to an ASA pilot yesterday.

He thinks ASA is going to get a ton of new 70's and maybe even 90's.

I asked him when he and the rest of the Pilots at ASA were going to get serious about their contract. He said "Well I don't know, but it's not really the best economic environment for us to ask for too much and definitely not to strike"

He's happy with his current ASA pay. It seems like SOME ASA pilots are GLAD their pay is low so they'll get the 70's and 90's of the future.

I heard if we at Comair would have said "NO" to the Pay freeze ALL OF OUR 70's would have been shifted to ASA.

I think SOME ASA pilots WANTED COMAIR pilots to say "NO" so they could get our 70's or even better ALL OF OUR FLYING.

It's amazing how selfish it seems SOME ASA pilots have been lately. SOME ASA pilots don't seem to even care we're about to lose 400 pilots.

The scary thing is that we know that the ASA pilots will do whatever it takes to get airplanes - including delaying their contract on purpose and hoping Comair pilots would have voted "NO" to a pay freeze so that Comair's 70's would be SHIFTED TO ASA at the expense of 200+ Comair pilot jobs.

Shameful,
Jet

p.s. thank you to the educated ASA pilots who understand the situations we've been faced with and how difficult our decisions have been. Thank you to the ASA pilots who also feel our pain as we begin furloughing.

 

[regionaltard]

Yeah, you Comair guys are one to talk. I seem to remember something about taking a pay freeze (read:concessions) in order to secure shiny new jets. Just a week or so after your lovely MEC sent us a nice letter and sticker...."Comair pilots support ASA pilots"

That's a good one. Pilot A from a group too weak to negotiate its own agreement takes a shot at pilot B from a group that paid dearly to set the bar for signing, at the point of a sword, an agreeement to prevent the transfer of flying to pilot A's airline because, to paraphrase WalMart "they'll simply work for less."

I hope those SkyWest pillows taste as good as the ones you're used to.......

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Actually talked to Brad Holt in the LAX break room last week for over an hour. We asked him about the Comair planes. He said it had to do with the ASA deal, but was a matter of cleaning up the books; returning expensive leased planes for one's with a better lease rates, not necessarily anyones gain or loss. He agreed that he didn't think the pay proposal would be approved so we asked him then what. He said that maybe next time the 1.2% wouldn't be on the table, everyone else is taking concessions these days and SkyWest is still offering a small increase (moving the ball in the right direction so to speak). He said he understood people making a stand on principle i.e. 50-99 seat pay, but in this environment those who stand on principle "Will fall by the wayside." He emphasized what happened to AWAC and said he had serious doubts about weather on not Comair will survive. Just casual chat in a quiet breakroom not a PR job delivered to the masses, there was only me the FO and the FA in the room. FWIW I voted no.

 

[jetflyer]

He said he understood people making a stand on principle i.e. 50-99 seat pay, but in this environment those who stand on principle "Will fall by the wayside." He emphasized what happened to AWAC and said he had serious doubts about weather on not Comair will survive. Just casual chat in a quiet breakroom not a PR job delivered to the masses, there was only me the FO and the FA in the room. FWIW I voted no.

The horrible thing is that the best chance for Comair surviving, probably rides on whether or not ASA can finally negotiate their contract or if Skywest can get their pay for the 70 and 90 seater increased.

I don't think Comair pilots have much confidence that either one of these things will EVER HAPPEN.

So because our Labor Costs are too high at Comair, we may "FALL BY THE WAYSIDE".

Well, it's been a great career.

Jon, thanks for voting No.

Unfortunately you're just one voice, and we at Comair "TAKING OUR STAND ON PRINCIPLE" will probably "FALL BY THE WAYSIDE" like the Skywest CP said.

We're glad we've held the bar so high so long, so the rest of you could grow, but unfortunately we're gonna lose our jobs because of it.

HOPE YOU'RE ALL APPRECIATIVE.

WE DESERVE THANKS,

Jet

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Those who stand on principle "will fall by the wayside"

Actually talked to Brad Holt in the LAX break room last week for over an hour. We asked him about the Comair planes. He said it had to do with the ASA deal, but was a matter of cleaning up the books; returning expensive leased planes for one's with a better lease rates, not necessarily anyones gain or loss. He agreed that he didn't think the pay proposal would be approved so we asked him then what. He said that maybe next time the 1.2% wouldn't be on the table, everyone else is taking concessions these days and SkyWest is still offering a small increase (moving the ball in the right direction so to speak). He said he understood people making a stand on principle i.e. 50-99 seat pay, but in this environment those who stand on principle "Will fall by the wayside." He emphasized what happened to AWAC and said he had serious doubts about weather on not Comair will survive. Just casual chat in a quiet breakroom not a PR job delivered to the masses, there was only me the FO and the FA in the room. FWIW I voted no.

skywest.alpa.org


wow! let's just fly for $10/hr...wtfo?
we know management has no principles in aviation but thanks for making the point. this is a f-ing joke. dang management azz clowns

 

[jetflyer]

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[FDJ2]

The scary thing is that we know that the ASA pilots will do whatever it takes to get airplanes - including delaying their contract on purpose and hoping Comair pilots would have voted "NO" to a pay freeze so that Comair's 70's would be SHIFTED TO ASA at the expense of 200+ Comair pilot jobs.

YGTBSM, either that was intended as TIC or that was one of the most rediculous statements I have ever read on this forum.

The ASA pilots do not have a track record of groveling for growth, unlike others.

 

[jetflyer]

Several ASA pilots have told me they really don't think it's in their best interests to get a "pay raise" or definitely not to "strike" because they think it will leave them exposed to LOSING AIRCRAFT or NOT GETTING FUTURE AIRCRAFT.

MANY ASA PILOTS think dragging out their negotiations and being kept FROZEN at their current rates might be in their best interests for the long term. What do you call this?

I can't believe they're looking out for their best interests so they won't SHRINK and can still get future aircraft!? The nerve! Unbelievable!

Sometimes I feel like some ASA pilots will only be happy if Comair is dismantled and all of Comair's planes go to ASA. Then they'll finally "THANK COMAIR FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE FOR THE INDUSTRY".

I was serious,
Jet

 

[DHPFLYN]

Wow Im glad I dont work for either one of your carriers.

Sounds like a bunch of A$$holes work at both places

 

[ArcticFlier]

Wow Im glad I dont work for either one of your carriers.

Sounds like a bunch of A$$holes work at both places

Which combination might you be talking about? ASA, Comair, SkyWest?


Just curious if I'm an asshole.............................(can I say that? Oh. it looks like I can.)


AF

 

[ArcticFlier]

has anyone flown 720 lately?

Yeah why? Was that you that farted in the cushion?


AF