Why is AT&T losing its pilots?

[greed]

Snicker. :blush:
And that right there is a large problem in our industry now. The new breed of Aviation Directors and Chief Pilots are lacking in the bulge when it comes to standing up for their guys. They're all a bunch of yes men (and I use the term men loosely).

Very true, Not saying all of them but it does appear that many of the CP's and DO's are too concerned with protecting their own images and not protecting their people. Once again, not saying all of them, but there seem to be an increasing number of self interest minded individuals.

 

[Turtledriver]

Right on. Well said. DS is also a very fine pilot. He is just about the only hope I see for that place which is why he will never get the position.

It sounds as if this person is finished at AT&T then. He would be a threat to the Pompous A-hole. Apparently the way things work there are that the Pompous A-hole gives out jobs, that report to him. Even when jobs don’t report to him, he pokes his nose in and tries to control things. He then constantly rides the person assigned the job, essentially dictating how he wants the outcome. He will spam them with email and phone calls at all hours. From all accounts he does this out of fear, because most know he is extremely limited and fearful of being exposed. Which is funny, as it’s not really a secret.

There are apparently several very smart, well educated experienced people that are trying to make a change, unfortunately they are held back by one persons death grip on his self anointed directorship. Sadly, neither the current director or chief pilot appear to care much as they are just collecting paychecks.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Sounds about right. I hear they are looking for yet *ANOTHER* F/O in Dallas. Amazing. Are they expanding or are more people quitting?

None of the furloughees were offered the position, yet again, which is just flat out wrong.

 

[semperfido]

what year is it? still beating this dead horse?

 

[LJ45]

really....move on

 

[Gulfstream 200]

furloughees? recalls?....

Behind all the "I'm so sorry" and "it was a hard decision" BS is usually an Aviation Manager who is THRILLED to finally be able to clean house to his liking.

There's a reason they usually cut deep then hire replacements within a year.

 

[2EASYPilot]

furloughees? recalls?....

Behind all the "I'm so sorry" and "it was a hard decision" BS is usually an Aviation Manager who is THRILLED to finally be able to clean house to his liking.

There's a reason they usually cut deep then hire replacements within a year.

I'm starting think I know why...

 

[LegacyDriver]

furloughees? recalls?....

Behind all the "I'm so sorry" and "it was a hard decision" BS is usually an Aviation Manager who is THRILLED to finally be able to clean house to his liking.

There's a reason they usually cut deep then hire replacements within a year.

Not the case here. Despite my criticisms of the former director I don't think he took any satisfaction in cutting anyone. He got orders from the top to chop the department in half and started at the bottom of the list. The heartburn for many is the way the list was constructed. Similar to the airline merger/takeover issues we constantly hear about, T had the same issues with newly acquired guys vaulting over people who had been there up to 12...maybe more....years.

They hired replacements because people they kept quit after the move for the reasons others stated previously.

That said, there are probably people they could recall who would gladly take the job because they need it. Or perhaps they've moved on and it is academic... Sounds like folks are jumping ship in bunches, so may not be so great a gig anymore...

 

[rumrnr78]

Not the case here. Despite my criticisms of the former director I don't think he took any satisfaction in cutting anyone. He got orders from the top to chop the department in half and started at the bottom of the list. The heartburn for many is the way the list was constructed. Similar to the airline merger/takeover issues we constantly hear about, T had the same issues with newly acquired guys vaulting over people who had been there up to 12...maybe more....years.

They hired replacements because people they kept quit after the move for the reasons others stated previously.

That said, there are probably people they could recall who would gladly take the job because they need it. Or perhaps they've moved on and it is academic... Sounds like folks are jumping ship in bunches, so may not be so great a gig anymore...

All good points, LD! Let's not forget how corporate aviation became the whipping boy of the liberals at this time. So downsizing had some good PR points. Randall gutted the department and sold aircraft to justify the move to Dallas so he could get out from under his former bosses shadow.

To the poster who mentioned "moving on", a corporate job like AT&T should be the equivalent of a major on our side of the airport. It is disgraceful that people who had so much invested in by said company were not offered a position.

I have moved on but I am sure there are those who would have liked the opportunity to return.

 

[semperfido]

To the poster who mentioned "moving on", a corporate job like AT&T should be the equivalent of a major on our side of the airport. It is disgraceful that people who had so much invested in by said company were not offered a position.

oh horse puckey. when companies get rid of people, it's just that. they don't want them back.

 

[rumrnr78]

oh horse puckey. when companies get rid of people, it's just that. they don't want them back.

You maybe right in some cases. In ours, we were told that we would be brought back (some unknown list) as staffing needs warranted. We weren't fired. We received a generous severance package. There may have been some that would not be asked to return but not all 19.

Anyway, it's academic at this point. AT&T was a good job when I was there but I wouldn't have returned due to my opportunity overseas. it would be hard to leave a great G550 gig to go back to T.

Cheers-

Rum

 

[LegacyDriver]

Exactly, Rum. In fact at least one of "the people they didn't want back" to paraphrase the false assumption posited previously....actually got pulled off the surplus list before the move because one guy who was kept decided not to move to Dallas. I would say virtually every pilot furloughed is worthy of recall. There are some great people in that list. Many are better off, so that's good. Not sure about all though.

It was a numbers game for most who were let go, especially the bottom 12 or so. Politics was well above the junior third of the group. It had no bearing on things for that bunch (it sure helped Slats, Heyyyy, and one or two others though). When you wipe out half your fleet overnight, well....

If the fleet had not been cut nobody would have been let go. And, yes, they did let a guy go long before the furlough because he wasn't up to the job. The list had much less to do with the quality of the people on it than it did seniority, at least until you got to the higher part of it.

My point is they would be better served recalling the good guys like you, CRJ, JO, etc. than street hires. Not that you would take it... Good people are leaving there in big numbers. Make of that what you will.

 

[GLEXPilot]

The legacy is a crappy plane.

 

[LegacyDriver]

The list had much less to do with the quality of the people on it than it did seniority, at least until you got to the higher part of it.

Let me clarify as I do not wish to insult anyone on the higher end of the furlough list, either. Good people there, too, clearly.

".....(H)igher part of it where politics played a larger role."

 

[semperfido]

You maybe right in some cases. In ours, we were told that we would be brought back (some unknown list) as staffing needs warranted. We weren't fired. We received a generous severance package. There may have been some that would not be asked to return but not all 19.

Anyway, it's academic at this point. AT&T was a good job when I was there but I wouldn't have returned due to my opportunity overseas. it would be hard to leave a great G550 gig to go back to T.

Cheers-

Rum

yes, I too was "let go" from a similar job and with a great severance pkg, it's semantics. I was fired, so were you. and no, I wouldn't go back either.