Why I hate MESA!!

[Machdog1]

Just wanted to start a new thread about an airline that everybody seems to hate. So if you have a problem with MESA, if they screwed you some how or if you just want to let people know what the cancer of the regional airline industry is doing, post it here. Have fun!!!!!
P.S.
I hate MESA!!!!

 

[wscrj]

LOL, are you for real? Let me ask you dog, is it the management, business model, or operation you hate? Or is it the hourly "regular joe" people here that you can't stand? An important distinction, to be sure....

 

[Strikefinder]

To be honest with you, I've always found the rank-and-file Mesa guys and gals to be among the most polite and helpful I've come across. None of us know who voted for the agreement they took, and it's awfully stupid to jump one individual's case because he *may* have voted for an agreement many of us disagree with, or because he voted no and happens to work for a company with people who did vote for it.

 

[Machdog1]

I hate the fact that your airline and its pay is what they call "industry standard", in a time when we are trying to make alittle head way in our pay, your contract takes a huge step back for the rest of us!! I hate the fact that United gives you flying because you are the "cheapest", and my company can't compete because our pay scale is no where near yours!! I hate the fact that our industry is heading down this road. Who out of your company you want to blame that on is up to you. Keep on flying those larger A/C for pennies!! Looks like the rest of us at ACA will be on the street anyways. Maybe I will go work at MESA or Wendy's, I wonder who pays more?

 

[jetdriven]

I hate the fact that United gives you flying because you are the "cheapest", and my company can't compete because our pay scale is no where near yours!!

Welcome to America. It's called a Free market economy. Did you think we live in Russia??

I hate the fact that your airline and its pay is what they call "industry standard", in a time when we are trying to make alittle head way in our pay, your contract takes a huge step back for the rest of us!!

Do you work here? Did you know that the new contract has increases in just about every section? Which airline do you work for? Did you know we are just on our SECOND contract? Forget not that MESA organized in 1996.

Keep on flying those larger A/C for pennies!!

Our pay is about 6-10% below yours, hardly "pennies"....Plus we get 70 hours per bid as a guarantee, there are 13 bids in a year.

Maybe I will go work at MESA or Wendy's, I wonder who pays more?

With an attitude towards us you could NEVER get hired here. So, that should make your choice easier.


Like I said, which airline do you work for???

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

"Maybe I will go work at MESA or Wendy's, I wonder who pays more?"

dog, why would you even mention mesa as POSSIBLE employment if you hate them SO much. even if its in a sarcastic tone. your hypocritical attitude sure wont help your so called argument.

 

[Machdog1]

Don't worry I would never work for your company, it was a joke. I work at ACA and a lot of us here don't have nice things to say about your company!!!! Speaking how it is thats all!!

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Mach doggie dog!!!!

I hear ya and feel the pain, we all do. The sad reality to this whole thing is this. The regional jet has change the way the industry leader think. This new line of thinking is that they can get an RJ to do 737 runs for about 70% less and while the RJ200 lacks capacity the 700 & 900 do not. While main line is giving up guppie routes and RJ's filling them for a fraction of the cost which in turns equates to less pay for the RJ pilot who now flys a run that used to pay quite well. The real bottom line is this, we should all get ready for this to be the final level in most of our careers, there will be NO MAJOR AIRLINE JOBS for many many years. What was once considered a stepping stone is now a career final!!!! This is where the mesa bashing started, this may well be a final step in manys career and with this type of compensation many can't afford to stay, so all the freedom and alter ego whatever mesa had the ball and because this was only a "Stepping stone job and not a career" they decided to take the low wages and force other companies to follow suite only to find that mesa may in fact be their career airline!!!!!

Sad reality huh??

WD.

 

[Machdog1]

your contract has increases from crap pay to a little bit better but still crap pay!!

 

[Machdog1]

Amen whiskey!!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

First of all, congrats to Air Whiskey on the MOA for UAL flying. Looks like your concessionary 7 and a half year deal may have saved your company.

Please include Eagle in this idiotic thread because of what they did so long ago nobody really remembers (including ALPA).

Please include Skywest in this idiotic thread for flying 50 seat rates for anything smaller than 737.

Please include ACA in this idiotic thread for spouting off about how there was no way they'd stoop to my company's level blah blah blah....puke, and then sign off on that sh1tty deal.

And please include Air Whiskey in this idiotic thread for the above reasons.

Bottom line is this, I hope Mesa is able to put all of you out of biz with its lower rates to enhance my job security.

Face it we are all stuck with the fact that we work for crummy wages, we all put our apps out and pretty much went to whoever called first. You are all welcome on my plane, we can talk fishin', we can talk sports, we can talk anything; but we have all lowered the bar on ourselves. If you voted your contract in because of the way I voted on mine than you are an idiot.

And by the way, ALL THE PILOTS AT THE MAJORS HATE US FOR FLYING THESE RJ'S anyway.

Deal with it you cryin bastards.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

I do not hate the typical rank and file line pilot at Mesa. I used to hate them, but not anymore...I realized that it was for no reason and I was blaming them for events that were largely out of their control.

Instead, I hate the miserable slobs who went to Freedom and successfully whipsawed Mesa pilots into submission in signing their miserable contract. I also hate their prick of a CEO Jonathan Ornstein for having so little regard for the well being of his own employees that he would stoop to such lows. I hate it that the Mesa contract has suddenly become the "MARKET RATE" in regional feed flying, forcing the vast majority of regional pilots to bend over and take concessions in order to compete. I hate it that even with said concessions, ACA was not able to compete with Mesa and has apparently lost the growth that probably would have gone to us. There is no doubt that I am on the street right now because Mesa Air Group came along and f#cked up a good thing, in addition to creating downward pressure on some of the best regional contracts in the US.

Life goes on.

 

[Brother Francis]

Ummm; Machdog? These are your words:

Vote the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing in so we can all keep are jobs and start growing again its not that bad of a cut actually I will be making still what I got paid before. And I don't rely on conflict for extra pay and if you do you have a tight budget anyway! The contract only comes in to effect if we are affirmed by United which looks like it is going to happen. Also, pay rates for the 70 seat aircraft will be more, we hope, so thats a plus!! Look I know any pay cut sucks I agree. But when you have pilots say I rather they lay off more pilots or the company go under then there the ones who should leave, I know that there are a lot of people who disagree with me. But I know that the quiet ones out there will do the right thing and approve the TA.

Tell us all again your problem with Mesa. Something hypocritical about taking steps back, wasn't it?

The ACA concessions were brought up by CHQ management in negotiations, by the way. We really appreciated that.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Bottom line is this, I hope Mesa is able to put all of you out of biz with its lower rates to enhance my job security.

Deal with it you cryin bastards.

Well grog, i guess you just love your lil job and it's tiny pay. My only point is hope you know you are there most likely for your career. When you get off reserve and you have been around in the industry a few yrs, you will start to get my point. More to it than just putting thos shinny wings on and poking out that chest porclaiming you're a real airline pilot untill the check arrives on the 1st of the month and it shows $800.00 for the last 15 days. I guess you missed the part about NO MAJOR AIRLINE JOBS FOR MANY MANY MANY YEARS!!!! Don't worry you'll see.

WD.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

When push came to shove, we all did what we could to save our company and keep growing. For us it was killing an alter ego that was delivering 2 CRJ 700's a month in my home base and shipping my little 200 to the east coast.

We bargained away our pay to keep from getting laid off. You guys did it because you wanted to keep growth. We all have our reasons.

Its a pity we can't all just be pilots anymore, I used to love drinking with some of you guys. Fortunately there are still a few out there who look at my face before my name badge to decide whether to say hello.

Tailwinds and lets hope for better times ahead. Perhaps our next deals will all be better.

 

[Machdog1]

Hey francis what I said then was because of MESA thats why we were forced to take concessions!!! Thats why I said vote for the TA, because a no vote would hurt us even more. But now it doesn't even matter, we are screwed anyway. Thats my beef with MESA because I had to vote yes, there never should have been a vote in the first case. You know its interesting there was an article in I believe the washington post that said that ACA pilots would have to work for free to be competative, sorry thats not us thats MESA. Inregards to the past post I never said growth I said potential growth!! As far as I am concern it doesn't end here this is just the beginning. All I can say to all the other regional carriers out there watch your back MESA is on the prowl!!

 

[Wiskey Driver]

We bargained away our pay to keep from getting laid off. You guys did it because you wanted to keep growth. We all have our reasons

Its a pity we can't all just be pilots anymore, I used to love drinking with some of you guys. Fortunately there are still a few out there who look at my face before my name badge to decide whether to say hello.

Tailwinds and lets hope for better times ahead. Perhaps our next deals will all be better.

Ok one at a time. First, growth was not at stake for us, what you seem to keep missing here is with lowering the pay scales it effected other companies as a whole not just the skilled labor group like us. My company felt that the only way to compete with your company for the same work that we are doing it needed to lower costs. Those cuts never come from top level exec only the rank and file. Sure upper level mgt says that they took cuts as well but that equates to no bonus this yr and not their salary. I told you and your brethren months ago that this would happen the dominos have fallen.

Now as for "why can't we all just be pilots" well I can't speak for the next guy but I never got in this business to be a career regional pilot. That would be that same as going to med school and ending up as a career resident. We are skilled labor and as such should be compensated like it. Sure if I worked for mesa I would still be just as pissed as I am now, i still would have spent thousands on an education that is only providing hundreds in return, kinda bass akwards huh??

As for better times, yeah there is nothing wrong with wishfull thinking but as along as UAL is still furloughing 60/mo and the other 7000 on furlough just where do you feel this better times are or better yet when??????????????????????????

WD.

 

[Machdog1]

Hey grog I hope with that attitude you are not speaking for the rest of your pilot group, if you are I have a word for you scum@##$bag!! Enjoy the pay for the rest of your career!!

 

[blzr]

When I get furloughed from Piedmont, I want to go to work for Freedom. I say all furloughees go to Freedom and give those mesa boys a taste of their own lav juice. I love hearing how Freedom is so unfair and how they are flying your jets on your routes.

I don't know what the status of Freedom is now, but I sure hope it's around in a few more months. I'll just get hooked up with foodstamps and keep living the dream.

 

[Jetscream32]

blzr,

Go ahead and apply. Freedom isn't hiring anymore. All Mesa newhires, once all the CCair pilots are recalled and all J4J positions are filled, will go to either Mesa or AirMidwest. The next 700 delivery will be on the Mesa certificate. Actually why don't you send me your resume, I will be happy to put it in the proper place.