flyboyike
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Why hire military over your competition?
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You have no proof to back that up. You just made that up.
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Now, you're not suggesting that a certain airline does not provide comprehensive training and therefore contributes to a higher washout rate? Funny, I've heard the same thing. I did notice that that certain airline is acquiring a few FPT's from "Alteon" (wonder where they are getting those from?) to be available in the training center later this year (when another airline no longer needs them). BTW, a female was promoted in the training dept., oh the humanity! Somebody is moving into the latter part of the 20th century.
I was actually referring to some lower tier cargo operators vs Majors etc. The former sometimes have a somewhat old school training program. Often backed by antiquated attitudes.
An amusing example - my Lear 23 check ride and training was all done in the airplane, by the boss who was also the examiner. He had giant hands that looked like raw steak. When he yelled saliva was splattered on the instruments and windshield. The V1 cut was interesting.
Yip did bring up a relevant point though - their new hires often have more 'varied backgrounds'.
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Well, I don't fault lower-tier companies for providing training that does not meet Legacy-121 quality. The money to do it is just not there.
So, you have to rely more heavily on hiring quality people. But the flip side of this coin is that with a small pilot pool, it is easier to be more selective.
It all comes down to safety record, and some of these "low tier" carriers have surprisingly good safety records.
So, you have to rely more heavily on hiring quality people. But the flip side of this coin is that with a small pilot pool, it is easier to be more selective.
It all comes down to safety record, and some of these "low tier" carriers have surprisingly good safety records.
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Also,
Civilian pilots seem to be quite OK with saying that "it all depends on the pilot" as to who is "better".
Many military pilots seem to have a deep and abiding need to be "better" than civilian pilots. This strikes me as a manifestation of some sort of insecurity. Such is the nature of elitism.
I always enjoyed my years teaching in sims. It was especially delicious to watch a cocky grad from, oh, say, Embry Riddle get his a-- handed to him by some guy who learned to fly at the local flight school, and may have had less total time.
The insecure man will try to ride the coattails of his training pedigree, or whatever. But the man who knows himself will put his skills and knowledge to the test in a fair comparison, and fearlessly.
Put me in a fighter aircraft, and the worst fighter pilot in the military will defeat me.
Put a fighter pilot in a transport category airplane and start failing systems in low weather, and who would you rather have at wheel? Him, or a 10,000 hour regional captain?
If you say a fresh off the boat military guy, then you're lying.
Civilian pilots seem to be quite OK with saying that "it all depends on the pilot" as to who is "better".
Many military pilots seem to have a deep and abiding need to be "better" than civilian pilots. This strikes me as a manifestation of some sort of insecurity. Such is the nature of elitism.
I always enjoyed my years teaching in sims. It was especially delicious to watch a cocky grad from, oh, say, Embry Riddle get his a-- handed to him by some guy who learned to fly at the local flight school, and may have had less total time.
The insecure man will try to ride the coattails of his training pedigree, or whatever. But the man who knows himself will put his skills and knowledge to the test in a fair comparison, and fearlessly.
Put me in a fighter aircraft, and the worst fighter pilot in the military will defeat me.
Put a fighter pilot in a transport category airplane and start failing systems in low weather, and who would you rather have at wheel? Him, or a 10,000 hour regional captain?
If you say a fresh off the boat military guy, then you're lying.
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Is that why you guys have 12,000 foot runways?
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After training it's a toss up dude.
I have landed in zero zero conditions, you have not, not counting Cat III auto pilot.
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The long runways are an excuse for more "required" real estate to build our golf courses.
A few points:
#1....your not a military guy
#2....you went to a podunk local flight school
#3....you have low flight time because of being in the sim most of the time
#4....your begging to be hired but are having difficulty even though you think that your skills and "aviation upbringing" are a result of the best route anyone could ever take to a career in aviation....much like the military guys you are complaining about to begin with.
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Then I was told a lie my first day of AOCS when they told me Navy Pilots are the best in the world, you calling my Marine DI a lier? The idea of that scares the crap out of me.
Anyone can be a military pilot, the training is very good, it is just their entrance requirements make it hard to get a slot. Unless of course there is a war going and on and guys like me get a shot.
It's not wether or not the other guy is Military or Civilian... The question is wether or not you are a motard butthead. I've seen both. For example, having some goof ball try to explain V Nav while I'm doing the USA Today crossword.....shut up already....I'm trying to remember the three letter word for what was formerly Tokyo. Dang these things are hard!
Good one. Over every door over every pilot training building at every location in every service are the words, "Through these doors pass the best pilots in the world." Like a hyper version of Lake Wobegon except instead of every kid is above average, every pilot is the best in the world. Like kids' sports nowadays. Everyone's a winner and everyone gets a trophy. Airlines can do it too. Here's AA,
https://www.google.com/search?q=thr...port-with-american-airlines-part-4%2F;480;640
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No not throwing stones either but most accidents have been ex military at SWA
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I would counter with 99% of the problem children are pure civilian. My facts stand out more than your facts.
Airlines hire military more because they are cheaper.
Cheaper to train, cheaper to keep, less likely to strike, tax deduction for hiring vets, etc.
That, and as long as management knows pilots from each side will bitch about it beyond eternity means they can keep pilots fighting each other, instead of being unified. and standing up against the man.
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Got it.... Now how about a six letter word for a Jack Hole pilot..... Starts with a K
flyboyike
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Got it.... Now how about a six letter word for a Jack Hole pilot..... Starts with a K
Kernel!
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