Why don't Delta pilots stop the merger?

[pipe]

March 3rd class? Honestly bro, and I'm not being a jerk, but I could see your class being put on hold if something shakes out between now and the time you start.

Interesting times for sure. A little TOO interesting for a dude trying to start class with a new company.

Gup

They won't put a class on hold. That implies some degree of forward thinking. Historically, aggressive hiring continues almost right up to the furloughs. Sad, but true.

PIPE

 

[IronCityBlue]

And actually it is a good business plan for the big 6 to keep LCC's out by using RJ to keep slots filled. The big 6 can keep their prices up and make some money. This is probably not good for consumers, but it is just supply and demand.

True in theory, but just like our right to strike is almost always trumped by Johnny Q. Public's right to uninterrupted low fares. There are many, many more passenger constituents than pilot constituents. This is becomming the nation of voting yourself benefits from the cradle to the grave. Might as well throw in cheap, uninterrupted airfare as a perk you can just vote yourself.

Legacy airlines pissing away the national aviation infrastructure just to hog gates at DCA and LGA, etc, are coming to an end sooner than later. Think there is backlash to "bridges to nowhere"? Legacy birthright to subcontract "RJ's to nowhere" just to stifle competition will die faster than you can say "airport authority", "landing fees" or "national aviation infrastructure."

Its simple math. Its bad for 300 million Americans to lose out just so the big 6 can hold on to their little market specific monopolies. Go ahead and shreak about how its not fair and you were here first, etc. No one is going to care. When real demand that your airline can't or won't cater to starts pushing up against spamming some of the most valueable airports on earth with poorly used capacity, something will give and it won't be legacy birthright that stays.

 

[PCL_128]

lol....its great hearing his tune change now that he's on this side of the fence.........

To be fair, his tune hasn't really changed at all. He's still advocating a single seniority list.

 

[General Lee]

They won't put classes on hold, primarily because the DOJ could still turn down a merger, and that may take 7-8 months to determine that. We still are adding new INTL routes from JFK that NWA will not fly to (Amman, Cairo, Tel Aviv, Lagos, Dakar/Cape Town, Lyon, etc etc.....), and we are also getting 6 777LRs from Dec 31st of this year to March 31st of next year (3 months time)--which will mean lots of upgrades etc. I highly doubt NWA will park all of their 68 DC9-40s/50s anytime soon--until they find a replacement (Boeing will start up a new 737NG line for some reason....)--and that will take a few years to drain. Hiring will probably continue for awhile.

Remember, the DOJ could still turn it down, so they will continue to hire in the mean time.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

At any rate......... another brother made it to the show.

Congrats,
Gup

 

[Mud Eagle]

Tedspal ( original poster),

Delta's hiring people with 1900 TT?

Who did you Blow?

Has it gotten that bad in this Industry?

Are you a previous Space Shuttle Commander?

Plenty of military fighter guys leaving 8-10 years of flying service with that kind of time. They've been hired like that for decades...so I guess it's been 'that bad in this industry' for a hell of a long time.

 

[ferlo]

"what is this scope, of which you speak"? Funny. While you're educating yourself, don't forget to look up Deltas' history of the infamous, "no furlough clause". IMHO, Don't burn any bridges dude.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Also remember that all of the airlines were at bankruptcy staffing levels up to about a year ago. There was no the fat on the lists as there was in 01. We were already below reasonable staffing levels. Just ask a 88 driver prior to last fall.
There still is not a lot of extra pilots on the list. I believe DAL is keeping about 80 more pilots than they need for summer comfort issues.

 

[CALRepublic]

Historically, aggressive hiring continues almost right up to the furloughs. Sad, but true.

PIPE

Yes sir, well said. These companies don't care about leaving you jobless, they have seats to fill. NW will hire until DL says " OK, NW is no more, we got it from here". What DL does after that is anyone's guess. Business as usual.


Thread starter- don't worry about growth, seats, mergers, consumers' interests and all that s***, just worry about not getting furlough.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why don't Delta pilots stop the merger?

Because they don't have the power to, regardless of Moak and DALPA's inane chest thumping and posturing.

 

[Networ-King]

Not that it really matters, but does anyone out in the DAL/NWA system, (other than the freaking general) have a clue as to what would happen to the guys/gals that bypassed recall should this "thing" make it to single carrier status? Oh well.... I guess all in time eeehhh????

 

[mcjohn]

2. Why don't the pilots just say that they do not want to merge?

3. I have written my senators to tell them that I do not think a merger between Delta and Northwest is in the best interest of (me) the American consumer. Has anyone else that is not in favor of the merger written their congressmen?

American consumers? If American consumers are of such interest then consider a career lobbying for the entities on the internet that sale tickets at revenue losing prices.

When the merger goes through the result may be the largest most profitable airline in the world. I imagine it will be bad at first for the most junior guys because of the high number of route over laps in existence. But, the new Delta/NW will have more control over ticket pricing than ever before and this will be good for the airline industry as a whole.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would guess that they will be given their original rights under their respective PWA. I do not think that they would be put under any pilot that was hired in 07 or 08. I would be surprised if DAL would do that.
I would guess that they would be offered recall as before or, a one time shot at a yes or no, then they would be taken off the list. Both companies are hiring after all.
On another note, it looks like they may be getting really close. On Friday DAL files with the SEC an 8K to change the pension and benefits of their managers. I am sure that this was so that they would keep them if the synergies got to them.

 

[PCL_128]

Not that it really matters, but does anyone out in the DAL/NWA system, (other than the freaking general) have a clue as to what would happen to the guys/gals that bypassed recall should this "thing" make it to single carrier status? Oh well.... I guess all in time eeehhh????

You aren't actually thinking about going back, are you?

 

[Captain Bubba]

Maybe Hillary, Obama, or McCain will bring back regulation and solve all everyone's problems?

 

[On Your Six]

Not that it really matters, but does anyone out in the DAL/NWA system, (other than the freaking general) have a clue as to what would happen to the guys/gals that bypassed recall should this "thing" make it to single carrier status? Oh well.... I guess all in time eeehhh????

So, is the night-flying starting to get to you? Just joking...

 

[Deadalus]

The Delta pilots won't stop the merger because I think a lot of them know they need it. Several Delta pilots will probably puff out their chests and tell me what a great airline Delta is and that they don't need anyone. I agree Delta is a great airline, one of the best. It doesn't change the fact this industry is f#$%ed up. Unless we reregulate, consolidation is the only fix I can see that will work.

 

[IronCityBlue]

The Delta pilots won't stop the merger because I think a lot of them know they need it. Several Delta pilots will probably puff out their chests and tell me what a great airline Delta is and that they don't need anyone. I agree Delta is a great airline, one of the best. It doesn't change the fact this industry is f#$%ed up. Unless we reregulate, consolidation is the only fix I can see that will work.

And how will consolidation fix anything? 120% of any capacity removed will be re-added by LCC's and new entrants.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Maybe Hillary, Obama, or McCain will bring back regulation and solve all everyone's problems?

McCain's idea of regulation is forcing labor to accept management's offer. Just look at that one sided farse baseball arbitration BS he tried to ram down our throats. He's still better than either of the other two commies, especially Billary who was the first president to PEB a pilot group in 60 years, but he's no friend of aviation. I doubt Obama has thought much about the aviation sector thus far so he's a wildcard for us, but probably just like the rest.

 

[PCL_128]

I doubt Obama has thought much about the aviation sector thus far so he's a wildcard for us, but probably just like the rest.

Obama is hard-core pro-labor. If you care about your career, vote Obama.