Why Challengers are better than Gulfstreams.....

[Gatorman]

Working on Challengers for better than ten years and then having to work on a Gulfstream, I notice several things that I like about Challengers over Gulfstreams.........here are a few:

1. You do not need Hydraulics to open or close the main entry door.
2. You do not need a step ladder to load the baggage compartment.
3. If you are 6' tall, you still have to duck you head to walk down the cabin.
4. All of that space in the cabin is used up for avionics.
5. Oxygen Bottles under the floor!!!???
6. Access panels on TOP of the wings and horizontal!!!???
7. It does not take 4 men to hang an aileron
8. It does not take 4,5, or even 6 men to hang an elevator.
9. It only takes 2 people to completely cowl the engines on a Challenger.
10. If there is fuel on the hangar floor, it has to be from the Gulfstream, if a Challenger has a leak, there is a problem.
11. Challenger - one guy to install a main wheel assembly. Gulfstream - one knuckle-dragging gorilla.

I know you guys have more.....



A contractor that was working with me was trying to justify the Gulfstreams by asking me "What name is synonomous with corporate aviation?"

My answer, "Lear, of course. Another product of Bombardier like the Challengers"

 

[Some guy]

Which Gulfstreams have you worked? I know the III's have fuel leak problems. We rarely had leaks on the IVSP's, and in the 6+ years I've been around them, I've never seen a V leak any fuel.

I know very little about the Challengers. What do you think about reliability between the CL and the G'? How old were the acft you worked on? I can tell you the fleet(s) of Gulfstreams I have worked for/with are all very reliable.

 

[Gatorman]

I was around when the last challenger left the old KC Aviation and I was there when the first GV showed up in Dallas. I understand that as the models keep coming out, things improve (snicker).
When that first GV showed up, I got the inhouse tour. I was very impressed, that was the closest thing I had see to an old 600 Challenger yet.

Product reliability, I believe, lies in the software. The more glass you have in the cockpit, the more problems you will have. No matter how pretty it looks up in the pointy end.

As far as making a departure.....well, we are suppose to have a GIII leave today. I will keep you posted.

P.S. there were at least 7 guys pulling 12+ hour days to make this out date. I got my 12.5 last night and I was not even suppose to be working on it.

: (

 

[Mudworm]

Well I guess it's a d@mn good thing if the Challenger is easier to work on because it sure as He!! is going to be in the shop a lot more!

 

[Tina Fey's Scar]

Where does the Legacy fit into all of this??

 

[Mudworm]

I don't know but WSCOD Driver (aka Legacy Driver) will tell you all about it!

 

[Gatorman]

Well I guess it's a d@mn good thing if the Challenger is easier to work on because it sure as He!! is going to be in the shop a lot more!

Well, since bending wrenches on airplanes puts dinner on the table.....ah DUH!!!



Flipside...looking out in the hangar right now, I see 5 gulfstreams to 1 challenger. DOH!! (BTW - the challenger is just here for the interior work)

 

[Mudworm]

Flipside...looking out in the hangar right now, I see 5 gulfstreams to 1 challenger. DOH!! (BTW - the challenger is just here for the interior work)

Thats because people take their challengers to gulfstream service centers for the big stuff, Dallas Airmotive is for lightbulbs and interiors

 

[Gatorman]

OOH, OOH, OOH!!!
I learned another one yesterday!!!

Challengers, you do not need to run a hydraulic mule to service hydraulics.

 

[hungover]

1. You do not need Hydraulics to open or close the main entry door.
2. You do not need a step ladder to load the baggage compartment.
3. If you are 6' tall, you still have to duck you head to walk down the cabin.
4. All of that space in the cabin is used up for avionics.
5. Oxygen Bottles under the floor!!!???
6. Access panels on TOP of the wings and horizontal!!!???
7. It does not take 4 men to hang an aileron
8. It does not take 4,5, or even 6 men to hang an elevator.
9. It only takes 2 people to completely cowl the engines on a Challenger.
10. If there is fuel on the hangar floor, it has to be from the Gulfstream, if a Challenger has a leak, there is a problem.
11. Challenger - one guy to install a main wheel assembly. Gulfstream - one knuckle-dragging gorilla.

I know you guys have more.....

With your last post and with what I have quoted above from you, I would like to point out that you are showing yourself to be truly ignorant. The Gulfstream weaknesses that you have enlightened us to, are fun and enjoyable to read, however, except for #1, #4, and #5 they are just dead wrong. There are plenty others on this board who would not be as polite as I in their response to your moronic drivel.

Respectfuly,
Hung

P.S. Reguarding your latest post about hydraulics. Are you sure you are working on a Gulfstream?

 

[Gatorman]

With your last post and with what I have quoted above from you, I would like to point out that you are showing yourself to be truly ignorant. The Gulfstream weaknesses that you have enlightened us to, are fun and enjoyable to read, however, except for #1, #4, and #5 they are just dead wrong. There are plenty others on this board who would not be as polite as I in their response to your moronic drivel.

Respectfuly,
Hung

P.S. Reguarding your latest post about hydraulics. Are you sure you are working on a Gulfstream?

Ok, you are right, you do not need to have hydraulics to open the door (you got me on that one) But I ain't seen a knucle-dragging gorillia yet that close one by himself on a GII, GIII, GIV, or GV.

#4, in case YOU are knowlegable of gulfstreams, a good portion of the right forward cabin is taken up by the radio rack.

#5....would like to see photos?



I will give to gulfstream for one thing...CMP. I do not think that there is any better maintenance tracking than that, not CAMP, CIMMS(CAMP just bought them), CESCOM, none of them.
I had a customer one time, tell me that he was looking into some other program to put his two GIV's and one Challenger on. I looked at hom like he was crazy....why, you ask?
If he were to put the GIV's on some other program he wuold never be able to sell them later. No one would buy a gulfstream that was not on CMP.
Moral to the story: if you have a gulfstream, you are nearly held hostage to the cost of renewing you subscription to CMP.


BTW, if you cannot tell that I am having a little fun at the expence of gulfstream and if you are taking offence, then your buttons are a little too easily pushed...sheesh.

 

[hungover]

With your last post and with what I have quoted above from you, I would like to point out that you are showing yourself to be truly ignorant. The Gulfstream weaknesses that you have enlightened us to, are fun and enjoyable to read, however, except for #1, #4, and #5, they are just dead wrong. There are plenty others on this board who would not be as polite as I in their response to your moronic drivel.

Respectfuly,
Hung

P.S. Reguarding your latest post about hydraulics. Are you sure you are working on a Gulfstream?

Please re-read the above post slowly
Respectfully,
Hung

 

[Flyinjunk]

Please re-read the above post slowly
Respectfully,
Hung

Mebbe he wuz fixing that there hornut pictured in his avitar

 

[hungover]

then your buttons are a little too easily pushed...sheesh.

OK - you got me. I am a man of easily pushed buttons, however only over things like "hey, that guy stole my beer" or perhaps "Sir, I think we will have to cut you off for tonight" but my buttons remain steadfast and unpushed over issues that have no true bearing on the quality of life outside skinning knuckles and sniffing toluline.

Respectfully,
Hung

 

[Gatorman]

The Gulfstream weaknesses that you have enlightened us to, are fun and enjoyable to read, however, except for #1, #4, and #5 they are just dead wrong.

So.....you DO agree with me that Challengers are better

 

[hungover]

1. You do not need Hydraulics to open or close the main entry door.
so what
2. You do not need a step ladder to load the baggage compartment.
I guess this all comes from small mans complex
3. If you are 6' tall, you still have to duck you head to walk down the cabin.
See above - you don't have to worry about it
4. All of that space in the cabin is used up for avionics.
a small portion
5. Oxygen Bottles under the floor!!!???
Is this a saftey issue? - I don't understand
6. Access panels on TOP of the wings and horizontal!!!???
uh, no not on the wings
7. It does not take 4 men to hang an aileron
Right - two unless you are a effeminate spongebob.
8. It does not take 4,5, or even 6 men to hang an elevator.
Again - the effeminate spongebob
9. It only takes 2 people to completely cowl the engines on a Challenger.
Yea - all 6 of them
10. If there is fuel on the hangar floor, it has to be from the Gulfstream, if a Challenger has a leak, there is a problem.
Yup - Love the smell of Jet Fuel in the morning
11. Challenger - one guy to install a main wheel assembly. Gulfstream - one knuckle-dragging gorilla.
Effeminat spongebob umpa lumpa squarepants - thats sir gorilla to you

Challengers, you do not need to run a hydraulic mule to service the hydraulics.
They learned that from Gulfstream


Respectfully,
hung

 

[Gatorman]

...we continue

1. You do not need Hydraulics to open or close the main entry door.
so what - Being in maintenance and having to move aircraft alot, door cables are fine....except when it is raining outside
2. You do not need a step ladder to load the baggage compartment.
I guess this all comes from small mans complex - I guess you are right, I do feel sorry for those shorter than I am, trying to put some golfbags up there by himself. Poor line guys.
3. If you are 6' tall, you still have to duck you head to walk down the cabin.
See above - you don't have to worry about it - But those of us 6' or taller do have to duck our head to walk down the center of the cabin.
4. All of that space in the cabin is used up for avionics.
a small portion - Enough for a large divan, or another set of seats with a table between them.
5. Oxygen Bottles under the floor!!!???
Is this a saftey issue? - I don't understand - Nope, not a safety issue, just a pain to access and remove and install.
6. Access panels on TOP of the wings and horizontal!!!???
uh, no not on the wings - WHAT!!! Are you blind? In reference to #10, I find it funny that the plane leaks so much and the access panels to the wing are on top.
7. It does not take 4 men to hang an aileron
Right - two unless you are a effeminate spongebob. - lol, I'd like to see two effeminate spongebob's do that
8. It does not take 4,5, or even 6 men to hang an elevator.
Again - the effeminate spongebob - I'd like to see two effeminate spongebob's do that too
9. It only takes 2 people to completely cowl the engines on a Challenger.
Yea - all 6 of them - Did I mention that it was one per engine?
10. If there is fuel on the hangar floor, it has to be from the Gulfstream, if a Challenger has a leak, there is a problem.
Yup - Love the smell of Jet Fuel in the morning - WATCH YOUR STEP!
11. Challenger - one guy to install a main wheel assembly. Gulfstream - one knuckle-dragging gorilla.
Effeminat spongebob umpa lumpa squarepants - thats sir gorilla to you

Challengers, you do not need to run a hydraulic mule to service the hydraulics.
They learned that from Gulfstream
I don't know about all that...to bad we cannot call up bill Lear about that one (original designer for the Lear Star which became the Canadair Challenger)

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