Who's a bigger bottom feeder, ASA or Mesa?

[dickburns]

It seems like these two companies have become the poster-childs for bottom feeders amongst the regionals, but who is worse?

 

[BoilerUP]

That's not even good flamebait.

 

[crashpad]

All small lift providers are bottom feeders.

 

[dickburns]

I have a friend thats been there close to 2 years, he still can't hold a line and never gets weekends off. I'm trying to get him fired up because he comes on here regularly, mainly trying to get him to come fly freight and show him what real fun is, at least he'll get weekends off and not have to deal with the A-holes he says he flies with there!

 

[BigPappa]

Dick Burns, you must be what your avatar suggest you are. That is why you want him back next to you on the weekends so you can shower together and dry each other off.

 

[Smacktard]

I have a friend thats been there close to 2 years, he still can't hold a line and never gets weekends off. I'm trying to get him fired up because he comes on here regularly, mainly trying to get him to come fly freight and show him what real fun is, at least he'll get weekends off and not have to deal with the A-holes he says he flies with there!

I smell bs.

 

[dickburns]

Na Bigpappa,

He does that everynight in the crew lounge at KATL when he has an overnight and he's too cheap to afford a hotel because your company barely pays him anything. It's too bad you guys have to fly multi-million dollar jets with years of training for barely minimum wage.

We all wanna fly a jet, but there's no sense selling yourself short for next-to-nothing pay just to get on with a bottom feeder regional like Mesa or ASA. Anyone flying for them needs to step back, and ask themselves what they're really worth. I know a manager at Dunkin Donuts who makes more than you guys, it's sad.

 

[BoilerUP]

Are you on a 25 minute callout?

 

[dickburns]

No, 20 mintues which is even better. It's the nature of the job, like I said though weekends off, and making about 15-20k more a year than regional gear throwers in both seats.

 

[Tomct]

Hey D!CK...go back to your little "Cargo plane" and stay in that dark corner.

 

[On Your Six]

I don't know many ASA drivers leaving for Mesa... It could happen though.

 

[701EV]

DICK YOU ARE A TOOL!

Ask the pilots that left Mesa for ASA

701EV

 

[blzr]

Which one gets Block or better, Xcellation pay, and DH pay, which ever one doesn't do at least 2 out of the 3 is a bottom feeder. Asa, I believe get all of them...

 

[atlcrashpad]

Mesa is way closer to the bottom than ASA..... JO is SCUM... BL is just a stupid liar...... Bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....

 

[av8tor4239]

Its all bout 121 PIC Turbine... I dont care who you talk to or how much you make.. This industry is a roller coaster and we are starting to go back up the hill....

Flying your freight is probably a good job, but when you are 50 years old and you have your weekends off US 121 "gear jerkers" will have WEEKS off not just weekends.. you must pay your dues.. what goes around will come around if you are smart

 

[dojetdriver]

Mesa has ALWAYS been a bottom feeder.

ASA, I wouldn't call them a bottom feeder. They have however ended up in a crappy situation. Pre 9/11, they had what was at the time a pretty good contract. After ACA's 2001, Comair's contract, and AWAC's, they would have been next in line to "jack up the house" as they say.

Now, with managment bending them over since 9/11, 9/11, stalled contract talks, DAL in Ch.11 (basically cutting them off), and being sold to SkyWest, then have ZERO leverage to even try and negotiate anything better. I don't envy thier MEC's postition at all.

 

[fsworld]

If there is an FO at ASA thats been there nearly 2 years and cant hold a line someone needs to show them how to bid!

And it is about who you know, not the 121 Tubrine PIC time.

 

[RP170]

And it is about who you know, not the 121 Tubrine PIC time.

You win the most intelligent post of the year award.

 

[av8tor4239]

I disagree.. I know many people in high places but with out PIC turbine time it just doesn't matter.

It is a combination of both... the pic turbine is the prerequisite to knowing people

 

[pgcfii2002]

8 pages....minimum.

 

[Leroy Smith]

With the attrition happening now, I would doubt that new hires are on reserve more than a month or two.
Two years would put you in the top half, if not the top third on the CRJ FO list.

Nothing to see here......

 

[EMB170Pilot]

It seems like these two companies have become the poster-childs for bottom feeders amongst the regionals, but who is worse?

Easy

Your mom!

Thats right...Your MOTHER.............D!ck


ahhhhhhh flightinfo

 

[sf3boy]

The Correct Answer Is......

Who has the highest number of PFT'ers on the list.....

Pre 9/11, good contract???? They worked for free for the first year.

 

[regionalcap]

I have a friend thats been there close to 2 years, he still can't hold a line and never gets weekends off. I'm trying to get him fired up because he comes on here regularly, mainly trying to get him to come fly freight and show him what real fun is, at least he'll get weekends off and not have to deal with the A-holes he says he flies with there!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=96362

Hmm..no guaranteed days off...it doesn't sound like you like your company either

 

[dickburns]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

Wow so you are better then ANY SINGLE RJ pilot out there? You must be a blast be around. So you must wear your Rayban Aviators to the bar and sport a Tom Selick moustache and a 2 inch tool. Then tell every chick on the property you are a pilot. Get over your self loser

 

[pdub20s]

at mesa in the ERJ you will finish the IOE bid, then hold a line shortly after....

 

[TOOL CRIB]

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

So you enjoy working for your money? That's great. You keep right on doing that. I'll let other people do the work for me. Enjoy tossing your own bags while I toss your girl's salad.

 

[crashpad]

I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.
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And he would gladly do it for less while crossing the picket line.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Find me a single major pilot that is getting WEEKS off, as you say, other than on vacation. I know 777 drivers that are at home for a MAXIMUM of 3-4 days between trips, and then spend the rest of their day at 380 keeping tabs on an FMS, much like you gear jockeys at ASA and Mesa.

In the freight world, not only do we haul cargo, we FLY our airplanes. 121 Pic turbine time might be important...but to who? 135 PIC turbine time is pretty good too. What would a 121 guy do when he is supposed to be flying a FA-20 out of Laredo down to Juarez and he's standing on the ramp waiting for his release...that's right you don't GET a release, do your own calculations and planning, pal! I doubt a SINGLE rj driver on this board could do any of that, if push came to shove.

Now back to the topic at hand, do the ASA and Mesa drivers ENJOY driving this industry into the ground and turning piloting into the burger flippers of the sky, or is SJS (shiny jet syndrome) just TOO strong that they can't see past the fact that they're gettin to sit in the right seat of a OMG JET!11!! even though it's at minimum wage rates. So sad.

What a ******************************bag. Guess what, pal. I used to do exactly what you're doing now. I left it for ASA 8 years ago and, even with the worst of times here it still beats flying a crappy freighter around Mexico and Central America. But, enjoy slinging your boxes and flying 5 nights a week. By the way, I flew the 20, among other things. It ain't the hardest airplane in the world to fly. Try Guatemala City in a Metro single-pilot sometime if you want to talk about how good a pilot you are.