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It is extremely gratifying to watch the inevitable occur.

While the destruction of the profession is a tragic thing, it is at least a fair amount the outcome of pilot's own greed and arrogance, rather than only the effect of incompetent management.

We have attempted to use the blunt instrument of union contracts as the sole tool to protect our profession. There were many other avenues that could have been used: PR, educating CFIs, educating student pilots, education the public, finding ways to make ourselves indespensible to the company instead of an expensive pain in the a$$, etc.

We have failed to evolve. Time was once that people looked up to our profession, and believed that we were someting special.

We have rested on our laurels too long.

A union contract and an overinflated sense of self will go only so far in winning hearts and minds. It works about as well as a gun does in that regard.

Our unstated message has been thus:

1. All union pilots are equally valuable, and anything short of outright negligence or recklessness is not really our fault, but should be attributed to improper training, fatigue, or management's failings. The worker is always the victim.

2. The left seat is to be awarded in seniority order, and the addition compensation as well, without regard for the individual's contribution to the company's success or efforts to go above and beyond the call of duty.

3. No matter how much you pay, it will never be enough.

4. When we find a contractual loophole that benefits the pilots, you will accept that as our contractual rights.

5. When the company finds and uses a contractual loophole, it is a direct attempt to undermine the intent of the contract, and will be seen as management being directly hostile to the pilot group.

6. Any mistake by a pilot is to be cheerfully forgiven by management.

7. Any mistake by management is a result of unbelievable incompetence.

8. Gains in pay or work rules made by the pilot group is a just and righteous thing, in that we are getting closer to a truly fair contract.

9. The company is not allowed to see gains by the pilots as concessions for itself. The company had it coming.

10. When profits are increasing, it is the result of the excellent job labor has done. Therefore the pilots are entitled to a bigger share of the profits.

11. When the company is losing money, it is the result of managerial incomptetence, so why should the pilots be expected to pay for that?

12. The company will respect us because we simply deserve it, because we are pilots. They can never understand the difficulties of our job. They can never understand how indispensible we are. They will never question our motivations, intentions, or actions. Because they are not pilots, who are special beyond all possible form or measure. We alone will determine our value, and any attempts to dispute our assessment will be seen as a hostile act against our profession and pilot group.


I defy anyone to explain how this is not the view of a large majority of professional pilots.


The most satisfying thing to me is to see that the reality of the situation is being forced - kicking and screaming, albeit - onto those in our profession.

The warning signs have been there for a long time. It is not likely that very many in our ranks will see and acknowledge why the profession has fallen.

The denial will overpower the desire for truth as it usually does, but maybe the next generation of pilots after us will understand what happened.

The final chapter of "Flying the Line" will be about the self-destruction of the profession, rather than peril from outside forces.
 
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spitfire1500 said:
Ahhhh an EMb145 type talk about "toilet bowl spin to the bottom Jerk Offs" what about all the mainline pilot flying youve been sucking up!!....But I guess thats Ok because its you and "its only a 50 seat jet (guess you werent flying one back in 95-96 when they were the issue...so its OK now)!
Reading your posts I am arguing with ignorance...a waste of time!

So, back in 95-96, who signed away loose scope provisions in MAJOR airline pilot contracts that would allow such explosive growth among 50-90 seat jets that would "suck up" your flying?

But I'm sure that you took a stand and were adamantly opposed to the RJ back in 95-96 even though management told you that they were only going to buy 15 of them and that buying those 15 would allow them to also purchase more real planes for you to fly.

Actually, I think that I saw you on Larry King Live after Rosanne Barr one night. You were crying about how the Rj's were going to overrun your precious career and that companies had better stop buying them because, if they didn't one day you would have to type alot of words on an internet forum and spank a "newbie" back to 1995 and show how you're better because you fly a plane with 15 more seats.

You were just as greedy back then as you are now. Oh, but it's "ok" because it's you and the issue seems to always revolve around you.

You're right arguing with ignorance IS a waste of time.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin
 
Anais Nin said:
Gosh av8tor, I feel so sorry for you! You are an angry little man! Please, seek help!

Angry? Yes
He has reason to be.

Little? Let's just be glad he's taking out his frustration here on flightinfo instead of what he's capable of in person.
 
....and I wasn't talking about the FIDO tools.



Hores. Most of us are/were at one time or another. 'Hopefully we will can take a stand and seek redemption of our past sins by standing firm with regards to compensation. The airlines of the managements that can not pass on the marginal cost increase to the clients will fail, capacity will be reduced and, oh yeah, that capitalism thing will work.

BTW: The rules of capitalism do not apply to the airline industry, ie: ch.11.
 
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spitfire1500 said:
what about all the mainline pilot flying youve been sucking up!!....!

First of all, NO ONE that is WHOLELY OWNED is sucking up flying... We operate on a FEE PER DEPARTURE BASIS... The flying you are talking about is GIVEN to DCI. IF mainline did not want us here we would be IPO'ed or SOLD.... GOD I WISH they would SELL us sooner than later... Their ship is sunk... thanks only to AIRTRASH and JETBLUE, SOUTHWORST, etc..

9-cptn: If you are still reading this board... I know you made alot more money than I did, or any regional pilot for that matter; BUT YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE CHASING YOUR OWN TAIL DOWN THE SPIRAL WE ALL CALL THE "RACE TO THE BOTTOM" oh yeah.. YOUR ARE LEADING THE PACK TOO!

YOU LOWERED THE BAR! CONGRATULATIONS.... all an "atr fo or barbie jet fo/cptn" can look foward too now is what your whoring has created!
 
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All TSA, Go Jet, Mesa, Freedom, Air Midwest, Chatauqua (21$ an hour on the EMB190) ETC... don't bother asking for the jumpseat...
 
What an a$$.

You're a drop in the bucket. Only the whackos care about this crap. If they don't get on your airplane, they'll get on the next.

Or buy a pass.

Using the jumpseat as a weapon against anyone YOU think is hurting the industry is a one-man war against the world. You will lose. However, you will have the satisfaction of flipping the bird to the legions of pilots who will overrun you.
 
People talk big on b*tch boards like this one.

Olympus is probably talking about the Flight Attendant jumpseat that you shouldn't bother asking for.

I know she wouldn't have the balls to say no to a decent human being trying to get to work or home. Thats up to the captain anyways.

:rolleyes:
 
I don't know why this is so freakin hard. I see alot of posts on this board that say if you bash a freedom guy, you bash the whole group. Freedom may now be folded back into Mesa, but DO NOT FORGET, the only reason that Airline got off the ground was a specific number of Mesa pilots screwed the rest by jumping over. (I have seen the list)

Freedom was a tool to get around negotiating a fair contract with the pilots.

Only a specific group of pilots let that happen.

Once it happened, and the rest of Mesa Pilots had to take a concessionary contract, Freedom was then folded back into Mesa and that specific group had to go back and face the music.

I am sorry for the one's who did not have a choice (yes, there were some)
The rest of you did what you did for a reason. ALPA could not legally tag you with SCAB, but you know what you did. You know why you did it. You got played. Now take your lumps.
 
olympus593 said:
All TSA, Go Jet, Mesa, Freedom, Air Midwest, Chatauqua (21$ an hour on the EMB190) ETC... don't bother asking for the jumpseat...

Don't worry hotstuff, I won't. Most likely I'll be sitting in the back on a pass and you won't even know I'm here. Smooches.
 

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