who can tell me some info on airmanflightschool

[comander]

check the webpage and tell me your coments about this school, I think I might go there,the price seems more or less fair what do u ppl think? http://www.airmanflightschool.com/

 

[350DRIVER]

I did both my CFI/II training with Airman quite some time ago and it is the best set-up and program that is out there in my opinion that will get you done the fastest. I looked into the different schools (AF, ATP, FSI, etc) and the Airman route was the best out of any of them in my opinion. Be prepared to study, put in the time, and get as far ahead as you can. They will not hold your hand nor will they spoon feed you the information. You will be responsible to come to class prepared which in reality means putting in a lot of self study time in on your own. Even though it has been awhile since I attended the school not much at all has changed, I still keep in contact with recent grads of the program and most have been pleased to the utmost.

Before one poster chimes in I suggest the following> If they get any indication that you are "flexible" and that you are not binded for time then you may not get the I/II course done as quickly as others. Make it known to them that you are binded for time and get on them and they will get you in and out of there quickly, money in the bank. I didn't have any problem nor did anyone else in my class... Stay on the ball, pester them, etc, do whatever it takes not to have to stay out there longer than you have to and all will be fine. Sometimes unfortunately you have to be a pain in the @ss and in reality you are the "customer".

As far as the writtens are concerned, some folks did have them done (FOI/CFI/II) but others didn't. I waited until I had gotten there due to the simple fact that all writtens were included in the price of the course so my thought process was "why" waste the additional money at $60-$80 bucks a written considering you need to take the FOI,CFI,CFII writtens. Just study for them so you can take them asap once you arrive in Norman. This is somewhat of a "firehose" training course so you don't want to wait until you get there to begin studying them, you will have plenty of other things to study. If you decide to go there then good luck to you, best I/II course out there in my opinion.


Some things have changed but those changes have been very minor from those who I have spoken with. I can only think of one guy who I recommended to go that wasn't overly pleased, all others got what was promised and if I had to do it all again I would have done exactly the same thing. He only went in there with a private so your situation should be drastically different.
pm me for any details or additional questions that you may have and also do a board seach on "AIRMAN FLIGHT SCHOOL", I have posted much on the subject over the past few years.

 

[minitour]

I attended for the "upgrade" course (Instrument - CFII). Looking back, I would have gone to ATPs probably. In the long run (and it was a long run) it would have cost less and I would have gotten 190 ME PIC...and an MEI (something I didn't get at AFS).

What I would recommend...go out and visit a few students (not staff) before you make your decision. I know more than a few people that had the same experience I had that would be more than happy to let you know what life is like out there.

Yes, their program says "6 months"...that's not reality. Had it not been for a "different" situation, I would have been there 8 or 9 instead of 7. I do know there are quite a few changes going on out there. I also know their Duchess (twin) was/is(?) down for about 3-4 weeks for mx. That's the second time in the past 4 or so months its been down that long. Also, they've been having mx problems with the RGs (makes commercial and CFI training go very slow).

Would I recommend it? No. I'd look into ATPs where at least you can get some ME time and if you go the "90 day" course it will be the same price if not cheaper in the long run.

If you have any questions, drop me a PM and I'll be more than happy to fill you in on what's going out there since I stay in close contact with a few of the current students as well as students that attended with myself.

-mini

 

[comander]

thank you both very much for your responses. great help this site is. thanks once again.

 

[PropsR4Boats]

They trained one of the guys that had something to do with 9/11.

 

[MFRskyknight]

check the webpage and tell me your coments about this school, I think I might go there,the price seems more or less fair what do u ppl think? http://www.airmanflightschool.com/

comander,

I just finished my PPL at Airman and have "taken the plunge," as it were, for their upgrade course. I start my Instrument in about two weeks. 350 and minitour both make very good points. The only thing you'll get spoonfed to you here is sugarcoated promises about your completion time. As for the mx issues, I don't know as much, but I do remember the Duchess being down for something like 2 weeks around the end of June. I had a very devoted CFI who got me through me through my Private in 2 months flat, but come armed with a working basic knowledge and be prepared to STUDY, because the groundschool is pretty dry and any one-on-one you get from your CFI who has God-knows-how-many students will most likely go by lightning-fast. For example, I think I spend about 5 minutes with mine going over the mx books/AD's, etc, the day before my oral, which left me to research and fill in all the blanks on my own.

Other than that, I can't stress enough how important it is to talk to other students, maybe even some CFIs if you have your eyes on a future job there. And search more on this board for it, I know there's some good chunks of info out there. If you need any more help, send me a PM and I'd be happy to answer questions or show you around the place if you decide to come check it out. Good luck!

MFR

 

[350DRIVER]

thank you both very much for your responses. great help this site is. thanks once again.

You are more than welcome. . Do some research, I was not the least bit pleased with ATP's when I researched them. 190 hours of multi at a low total time will mean very little if anything to you, gotta love the way they market this program. If you give ATP's close to $40,000 then you may need a reality check. . I would not even contemplate this if I were you and would highly suggest that you do your research prior to giving up this kind of cash. It is not "cheaper" than Airman and a lot of what they sell off is nothing more than propaganda. . If you truly want a "fast track" to the airlines then look into the Mesa Airlines Pilot Development Program, you can't even compare the two..

http://www.atpflightschool.com/airline_training_programs/airline_career_pilot_program/index.html

Think twice before you throw away this type of money for a program like this one.

MFR, I wish you much luck on the completion of your tickets out at Airman.

 

[User546]

190 hours of multi at a low total time will mean very little if anything to you, gotta love the way they market this program.

Thats a valid point, BUT... that multi time never gets taken away from you, and once you get your Total Time built up, your sitting good with that 200 multi. If you want to go to any regional, or cargo outfit, you'll easily have the mins met.

Reality of training now days is that the only multi that most students get is the multi time received during their multi-initial, maybe an addon, and then there MEI. Typically 30-40 hours max.

If your a CFI, they typically don't put you into a MEI position right away. That typically goes on seniority, and it can literally be months or years before you get that privelage. Then some smaller schools have so few Multi students, that even once you are teaching as a MEI, that it could still take you months to build suitable multi time. You will have probably easily have built up your single-engine (total time) up enough to be competitive at that point if you have the 200 multi.

Just something to chew on.

And I've personally visited Airman with a student of mine (Minitour hooked us up - thanks again!) and after spending an hour or so talking to the lady and touring the facilities, the place left a lot to be desired, and I personally would not recommend it on many levels (from morale, to quality of airplane, to maintenance).

 

[minitour]

FWIW:
The price I was quoted at AFS for the "Upgrade course" was $23,995...not sure if its gone up since or not.

I ended up $42,000 in debt....with 3.9 hours of ME time.

I'd still recommend ATP...but thats JMHO

-mini

*edit*

I can't really say I'd recommend ATP...but I would not recommend AFS. I talked today with two of my friends who are still in the ME program and also still waiting for their CFII check rides. They haven't flown in two weeks and 8 days respectively...

...if that helps any

 

[100LL... Again!]

The two CFIs that I worked with from Airman did not know their a$$ from a hole on the ground.

If you are already a motivated learner and plan to do LOTS and LOTS of self study to fill in the gaps, then Airman is fine.

If you plan to blast through their courses and get the CFI in minimum time, you will be an ignorant and possibly incompetent pilot.

Sad. But true. Certificate mills are a blight on the profession. They should all be shut down.

 

[350DRIVER]

You are always going to have a few or hear about a few bad experiences from some out there no matter what the school. I still to this day recommend Airman and will continue to do so for those who ask and seek for my opinion(s) and advice, one or two bad experiences is not the norm and should not be considered as such with regards to Airman. GA, thanks for the pm, 2.5 weeks for the course is what you were told and they came through. The negative vibes are all across the board no matter what the flight school so I accept the above poster's remarks and comments (minitour's) even though I disagree with many points that he has brought to light during his posts on this subject.

100LL, very good points and I agree with you for the most part. Those seeking an easy way out usually will be "caught" and stopped dead in their tracks at some point down the line during an interview process and/or simulator evaluation. One can only slip through the cracks for so long before the past truly catches up with them. It is just a matter of time before a reality check sets in and they then are stuck with pondering why they didn't get that job to fly that shiny new RJ. I do not however feel as if Airman is or was at any point a "Certificate mill".

To the original poster, do your research and talk to current students and current instructors that are currently out there to get the best possible information and form your own opinion and decision(s) from that information which you are able to obtain.

I personally would not waste $40,000 out at ATP for some "fast track" airline gig. Many of the CFI's there are only there for a limited period of time while they "build" time to move on asap.

If you decide against Airman then I highly suggest looking into the Mesa program which is the best out there in my opinion.

 

[minitour]

I'll agree with one thing that 350 said about Airman. It's no certificate mill. I personally saw people washed out of the Instrument Rating class 2 and 3 times. While they won't give the certificates to you if you aren't prepared and don't know your stuff, they will work with you to get you waht you need. Most of the problems come from students that don't want to work and don't want to study. The guys that spent every night out at the clubs with the OU chicks were the ones struggling and washing out of classes.

However, disagree with my statements if you will...they are all fact. You can't argue with facts. I realize that lots of students go through there and probably lots of them go through in the time "promised"...but take a look at your contract if you go there before you sign. If I had done that, I would have walked...no, ran then and there.

Also, be careful of being a pain in the @ss. I raised a fit because I hadn't had my stage check for stg 1 commercial (after a week) and didn't fly for another month. Its almost like getting penalty vectors for calling the controller a biatch with a stuck mike...just stuff that you don't want to happen.

I also agree with 100LL. There are/were several Airman CFIs that I refused to fly with after 10 minutes of conversation with them. They really don't "know their ass from a hole on the ground".

A few positives I'll say, since I've got a lot of negatives.

The chief pilot and Director of Operations are great guys. Both very fair and EXTREMELY knowledgable. If you go there and have any problems, make your first step to both of them, not the people you're "supposed to" talk to...

Good luck...let us know what you decide.

-mini

 

[100LL... Again!]

100LL, very good points and I agree with you for the most part. Those seeking an easy way out usually will be "caught" and stopped dead in their tracks at some point down the line during an interview process and/or simulator evaluation. One can only slip through the cracks for so long before the past truly catches up with them.

I would REALLY like to believe you, but you must understand my skepticism. In some cases, the 'catching up' occurs at the worst possible time with innocent lives in the back. What if 3701 had been a revenue flight?

I think that the skill and knowledge bar has been lowered too far and 'training for the checkride' occurs at every level of the profession now.

I have seen way to many people at one of my previous 121 jobs that really underwhelmed me.

 

[BushwickBill]

If your a CFI, they typically don't put you into a MEI position right away. That typically goes on seniority, and it can literally be months or years before you get that privelage. Then some smaller schools have so few Multi students, that even once you are teaching as a MEI, that it could still take you months to build suitable multi time. You will have probably easily have built up your single-engine (total time) up enough to be competitive at that point if you have the 200 multi

See the multi time post.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=58081

ATP wouldn't be bad if you get that much multi time. At least your getting something. Just having your CMEI doesn't mean anything and most people don't care how you got your ratings as long as you have your minimum time.

When I got my ASES rating the instructor said "you dont know how to fly seaplanes, you have a license to learn". It doesn't matter where you go to school as long as you work hard a pay attention you'll be fine. If you sit around and play playstation you'll be hosed.

The hard part isn't getting your ratings its not starving to death as a CFI.

 

[GAcfi]

Airman

Hello I sent this as a PM to "commander" who was requesting information on Airman. I thought I should post so all could see in case someone was trying to make a decision. I have used this board many times for advice, and besides some real a&*holes, most people are very helpful.

I'm responding to your question regarding airman flight school. I attended airman in April for the CFI/CFII course. I also talked to 350driver, because he attended airman several years ago.

I wanted to let you know my experience at airman so it may help with your recommendations of the school. I did very well there, and would do it again only if I were in the same situation, but it was not looking good for a lot of people while I was there. I hope Brenda and the others can turn it around.

I was current and had started my CFI training with a local CFI before I decided to go to Airman. I came in and finished both in 2 1/2 weeks. However, I'm not the norm. I was passing up people that had started their CFI's two sessions before me. A lot of your success will be on your ability to study on your own, be prepared before you start, and find a study group (you will have to start one because a lot of people there don't have the initiative).

The instructors are overworked and most don't care about your success (a few do, and are doing the best they can). The school changed management when I was there and this caused some concerns. The instructors didn't get paid one day and stuff like that worries me (they were paid a few days later). The planes are junk. They are in sad condition. The dutchess was their only multi and it was in the shop a lot. Also, they only have two RG's and they were down most of the time I was there. That is when my training slowed down, when I needed the RG. I finished the CFII (they do the instrument first) in one week. However, if the school can stay afloat, it will be good in the long run. Management has a lot of dreams for the school if they can get the money.

I know a lot of people that left without ratings because they got tired of sitting around in a hotel room not flying. There was one guy that I keep in touch with that needed his commercial, CFI, CFII. He was there for three months, got the Commercial, and CFII, but never the CFI. He left and went somewhere else.

I can't really complain but as i said only about 5% of the guys get out in the time I did. I Just came prepared, studied all the time, and bugged the crap out of the instructors that I needed to fly and get out! IF you let them run your schedule, you will be there forever.

I went to ATP for the multi. It was done pretty well. I"m not sure about doing a direct track with ATP. Most of their instructors are all very young and inexperienced (before anyone flames me, noticed I said most not all, some of there instructors are good). Express Jet takes them at 700 hours so they are not hanging around instructing very long.

I hope this helps. I would be cautious of Airman right now, however if you decide to go, stay on them about flying, study your butt off before you go, and if the equipment doesn't break, you could get out in the quoted amount of time. But you may also loose your money if they go under. Do a search on "Airman Flight School" you will get lots of information. Hope this helps.