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Here I am
Here I am watching and wondering.
I have communicated with several of you by PM. I have thought about posting but since my rear still has third degree burns from posts on catering, etc. I have decided it is best to keep quite. A few of you have sought my thoughts and I have given them.
One observation -- with a limited but very significant exception, over the past 4 months I would say the crews have been much more friendly, considerate, helpful and child friendly than in the past. While many of you masy be p1$$ed off, service has been better than ever. I admit this must be difficult under the present circumstances, feeling betrayed by both the company and the union which is suppossed to protect you. The sole exception was a recent F.O. who spent 10 minutes telling my wife and small children how he can not make ends meet, etc.... Other than that one exception, crews have been better than ever.
Fly safe.
Here I am watching and wondering.
I have communicated with several of you by PM. I have thought about posting but since my rear still has third degree burns from posts on catering, etc. I have decided it is best to keep quite. A few of you have sought my thoughts and I have given them.
One observation -- with a limited but very significant exception, over the past 4 months I would say the crews have been much more friendly, considerate, helpful and child friendly than in the past. While many of you masy be p1$$ed off, service has been better than ever. I admit this must be difficult under the present circumstances, feeling betrayed by both the company and the union which is suppossed to protect you. The sole exception was a recent F.O. who spent 10 minutes telling my wife and small children how he can not make ends meet, etc.... Other than that one exception, crews have been better than ever.
Fly safe.
NJAowner.....The sole exception was a recent F.O. who spent 10 minutes telling my wife and small children how he can not make ends meet, etc.... Other than that one exception, crews have been better than ever.
Isn't this a problem? You know if he's flying you, I bet most of his trip, with you on board, he's not thinking of flying.
Isn't this a problem? You know if he's flying you, I bet most of his trip, with you on board, he's not thinking of flying.
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Amazing.
I am still trying to figure out why anyone gives a dog's ass about where this guy is ? Who gives a crap ? If he really IS an owner, what do you want him to say/do ? Regardless of what you read, he doesn't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** about this contract...he wants to get from POINT A to POINT B when he requests a flight. Simple as that. NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS, this is the only fact you need to know.
I am still trying to figure out why anyone gives a dog's ass about where this guy is ? Who gives a crap ? If he really IS an owner, what do you want him to say/do ? Regardless of what you read, he doesn't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** about this contract...he wants to get from POINT A to POINT B when he requests a flight. Simple as that. NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS, this is the only fact you need to know.
and ...
one wonders why I have been silent in public.
Snake--- what a revelation that the owners want to get from point A to point B. I actually thought that most owners (of NJA, other fractionals and coprorate jets) bought their planes for the comfort of the seats, quality of the in flight entertainment system, and the little bottles of scotch. Sarcasm aside, it is all about transportation.
Those of you who treat owners like they don't give a _ _ _ t will see it become a self fulfilling prophecy. I do not say that all owners give a .... but many more than you think do. Unfortunately, a few of the pilots are actually trying to piss off the one group of people who have the power to effect change ... the owners. NJA does care about what the owners think and listens.
Fly safe.
one wonders why I have been silent in public.
Snake--- what a revelation that the owners want to get from point A to point B. I actually thought that most owners (of NJA, other fractionals and coprorate jets) bought their planes for the comfort of the seats, quality of the in flight entertainment system, and the little bottles of scotch. Sarcasm aside, it is all about transportation.
Those of you who treat owners like they don't give a _ _ _ t will see it become a self fulfilling prophecy. I do not say that all owners give a .... but many more than you think do. Unfortunately, a few of the pilots are actually trying to piss off the one group of people who have the power to effect change ... the owners. NJA does care about what the owners think and listens.
Fly safe.
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Snakeplt
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"Those of you who treat owners like they don't give a _ _ _ t will see it become a self fulfilling prophecy."
Oh brother. I guess you aren't as bright as you think you are ??? Who said we TREAT owners like they don't give a crap ? Even under the current conditions, the "owners" are treated as they always have been. NO MATTER HOW WE TREAT YOU, you will NEVER give a crap about our "situation." Now, let me make something CLEAR so that you won't "spin" it. I don't think you even NEED to worry about our situation. YOU are not the reason for this HORRIBLE TA, you are not going to CHANGE anything regarding this TA and you don't even MATTER regarding this TA....so please don't even insinuate that you DO...on ANY of these points. Hence, my original post: who gives a crap about your OPINION ? It won't change a da*n thing !
"I do not say that all owners give a .... but many more than you think do."
Um...ok ??? And ? WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT ? How does that change ANYTHING ???
"Unfortunately, a few of the pilots are actually trying to piss off the one group of people who have the power to effect change"
Ok, let me now LIST all of the...."owner change" you are speaking of....
1.
Well, that was a very short list. And THANKS for your help. As for those pilots "pissing" you off, this is DEFINITELY an anomoly and an EXTREMELY SMALL population so let's not blow it out of proportion ok ?
"... the owners. NJA does care about what the owners think and listens."
THE COMPANY CARES ABOUT WHICH CHEESE TO PUT ON YOUR TRAY AND WHERE THE LIMO WILL PICK YOU UP BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE. AND ??? I just don't get your point ??? If you don't get my point, I can't help you...just as you can't help "us."
Again, YOU want to get from POINT A to POINT B. I provide this service to you at the direction of NUTJETS. I provide this service in only the MOST PROFESSIONAL way I can; and no matter HOW TIRED, PISSED OFF or HUNGRY I am, the owner ALWAYS feels special on every one of my flights. THAT is the very basic and utter truth here. The very second you leave the aircraft, you have forgotten me, and I have forgotten you...let's try not to make this MORE than it really is and please don't tell all of us how you are here to save the day...especially with veiled threats and double talk.
Oh brother. I guess you aren't as bright as you think you are ??? Who said we TREAT owners like they don't give a crap ? Even under the current conditions, the "owners" are treated as they always have been. NO MATTER HOW WE TREAT YOU, you will NEVER give a crap about our "situation." Now, let me make something CLEAR so that you won't "spin" it. I don't think you even NEED to worry about our situation. YOU are not the reason for this HORRIBLE TA, you are not going to CHANGE anything regarding this TA and you don't even MATTER regarding this TA....so please don't even insinuate that you DO...on ANY of these points. Hence, my original post: who gives a crap about your OPINION ? It won't change a da*n thing !
"I do not say that all owners give a .... but many more than you think do."
Um...ok ??? And ? WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT ? How does that change ANYTHING ???
"Unfortunately, a few of the pilots are actually trying to piss off the one group of people who have the power to effect change"
Ok, let me now LIST all of the...."owner change" you are speaking of....
1.
Well, that was a very short list. And THANKS for your help. As for those pilots "pissing" you off, this is DEFINITELY an anomoly and an EXTREMELY SMALL population so let's not blow it out of proportion ok ?
"... the owners. NJA does care about what the owners think and listens."
THE COMPANY CARES ABOUT WHICH CHEESE TO PUT ON YOUR TRAY AND WHERE THE LIMO WILL PICK YOU UP BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE. AND ??? I just don't get your point ??? If you don't get my point, I can't help you...just as you can't help "us."
Again, YOU want to get from POINT A to POINT B. I provide this service to you at the direction of NUTJETS. I provide this service in only the MOST PROFESSIONAL way I can; and no matter HOW TIRED, PISSED OFF or HUNGRY I am, the owner ALWAYS feels special on every one of my flights. THAT is the very basic and utter truth here. The very second you leave the aircraft, you have forgotten me, and I have forgotten you...let's try not to make this MORE than it really is and please don't tell all of us how you are here to save the day...especially with veiled threats and double talk.
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Well said...
He's just a troll...let it go dude. His grammar and spelling in his first post should be a tip off that he's just another guy. Then again, I've flown some pretty "unedumicated" owners at FLOPs who make trailer park people look like MENSA. Some people have money AND brains, some only have one and then some don't have any! Can you guess which of these NJAowner has?
He's just a troll...let it go dude. His grammar and spelling in his first post should be a tip off that he's just another guy. Then again, I've flown some pretty "unedumicated" owners at FLOPs who make trailer park people look like MENSA. Some people have money AND brains, some only have one and then some don't have any! Can you guess which of these NJAowner has?
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waveoff said:His grammar and spelling in his first post should be a tip off that he's just another guy. Then again, I've flown some pretty "unedumicated" owners at FLOPs who make trailer park people look like MENSA. Some people have money AND brains, some only have one and then some don't have any! Can you guess which of these NJAowner has?
I always thought his use of the "NJA" abbreviation in his screen name was dubious considering it's only used in internal company references to the unionised pilots and mechanics. How many owners know, that as far as the pilots are concerned, NJI is a separate company or that the screenreaders and BBJ pilots each get their paycheques from different sources than the "NJA" pilots and mechanics. Very few; it's all one happy "Net Jets" to them.
Where's he writing these posts?? From a nuthouse? Do we have pilots in gaol?
Nice try, but I appreciate some of the compliments.
Wave off- I ask you to correct my use of grammar in my first post since you have found errors.
As far as your post, my corrections are in all capitalized letters belows:
You said "He's just a troll...let it go dude. His NJAOWNERS's USE OF (starting a sentence with a third person reflexive pronoun is poor grammar) grammar and spelling in his first post should be a tip off that he's just another guy. Then again, I've flown some pretty "unedumicated" owners at FLOPs who make trailer park people look like A MENSA MEMBER (Mensa is an organization). Some people have money AND brains, some only have one and then some don't have any EITHER (any would be correct if you were writing about 3 or more items)! Can you guess which of these NJAowner has?
And Snake - I made no threats - veiled or otherwise.
As far as your post, my corrections are in all capitalized letters belows:
You said "He's just a troll...let it go dude. His NJAOWNERS's USE OF (starting a sentence with a third person reflexive pronoun is poor grammar) grammar and spelling in his first post should be a tip off that he's just another guy. Then again, I've flown some pretty "unedumicated" owners at FLOPs who make trailer park people look like A MENSA MEMBER (Mensa is an organization). Some people have money AND brains, some only have one and then some don't have any EITHER (any would be correct if you were writing about 3 or more items)! Can you guess which of these NJAowner has?
And Snake - I made no threats - veiled or otherwise.
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Does not matter much if NetsOwner is real or fictional. I mean to say, if he is an owner, he is not voting on the TA and, if he is really an owner, he is NOT going to volunteer to pay more to support a pay raise for the NJA pilots.
As Snake Pit so properly stated, all NJAOwner wants to do is get from A to B at the best price possible without having to tolerate the commerical airline terminals.
If he (is a real owner) likes the service, he will stay the course. If he (is a real owner) does not like the service, he will take his business elsewhere.
If he is a real owner, I suspect he is evaluating the benefits and cost of CS, FO, and FlexJet just because that is what I would do if I had (which I do not) the money to be a fractional owner to begin with.
As Snake Pit so properly stated, all NJAOwner wants to do is get from A to B at the best price possible without having to tolerate the commerical airline terminals.
If he (is a real owner) likes the service, he will stay the course. If he (is a real owner) does not like the service, he will take his business elsewhere.
If he is a real owner, I suspect he is evaluating the benefits and cost of CS, FO, and FlexJet just because that is what I would do if I had (which I do not) the money to be a fractional owner to begin with.
The ignorance of the Lord
My Lord, wit all due respect, your ignorance is showing. Please do not speak of that which thou doesn't knoweth.
You said
I always thought his use of the "NJA" abbreviation in his screen name was dubious considering it's only used in internal company references to the unionised pilots and mechanics.
The fact is that all of the owner documents and contracts (not marketing materials), speak of NJA and NJS. But of course, you have never seen such documents but you can speak of them.
Fly safe.
My Lord, wit all due respect, your ignorance is showing. Please do not speak of that which thou doesn't knoweth.
You said
I always thought his use of the "NJA" abbreviation in his screen name was dubious considering it's only used in internal company references to the unionised pilots and mechanics.
The fact is that all of the owner documents and contracts (not marketing materials), speak of NJA and NJS. But of course, you have never seen such documents but you can speak of them.
Fly safe.
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A few questions please---
NJAowner, what is your position on tipping the pilots? Would you be embarrassed if it became public knowledge that one of your flight crew receives government assistance? Do you find it misleading to be told that there are two captains in every plane, when in reality there is one captain and one first officer that is forced to have a captain's rating but is paid much less than some of the limo drivers? I have no problem believing that you are an owner, as I truly am a wife.
Netjetwife
NJAowner, what is your position on tipping the pilots? Would you be embarrassed if it became public knowledge that one of your flight crew receives government assistance? Do you find it misleading to be told that there are two captains in every plane, when in reality there is one captain and one first officer that is forced to have a captain's rating but is paid much less than some of the limo drivers? I have no problem believing that you are an owner, as I truly am a wife.
Netjetwife
Tips
NetJetWife - I have covered the tips dicussion on the board several times in the past. But, I am flying next week and may try to get some feedback on this with a trial balloon. Please help me and I may try it.
How much do I tip the Capt and F.O.? Should I give the Capt. more? $50 each, $100 each?? 15% of the cost of my hourly fee for the flight (this I will not agree to)? 18% if I have a party of 6 or more on the flight? 15% of the onboard catering bill?
I am not being sarcastic. What do you expect your husband to receive as a tip and what would you (or he) consider insulting?
Thanks.
(Please tell him to ) Fly safe.
NetJetWife - I have covered the tips dicussion on the board several times in the past. But, I am flying next week and may try to get some feedback on this with a trial balloon. Please help me and I may try it.
How much do I tip the Capt and F.O.? Should I give the Capt. more? $50 each, $100 each?? 15% of the cost of my hourly fee for the flight (this I will not agree to)? 18% if I have a party of 6 or more on the flight? 15% of the onboard catering bill?
I am not being sarcastic. What do you expect your husband to receive as a tip and what would you (or he) consider insulting?
Thanks.
(Please tell him to ) Fly safe.
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Hey Lady,
let it go.
How dumb are you to think the folks in back give 2 $hits about your husband. (nor should they). He pays good money to get from point A to point B - that is it. The guy pays for a SERVICE - yeah, its a little strange that he spends time on a pilot website - which as others said, makes one think he is fake...but whatever...
If hubby aint makin enough money to put steaks in the freezer tell him to get a better freakin' job or drag your annoying a$$ off the computer and go to work. Your personal finance problems are not the clients problems.
Dont worry, the gubament will put cheese in your hand, not NJAOWNER.
let it go.
How dumb are you to think the folks in back give 2 $hits about your husband. (nor should they). He pays good money to get from point A to point B - that is it. The guy pays for a SERVICE - yeah, its a little strange that he spends time on a pilot website - which as others said, makes one think he is fake...but whatever...
If hubby aint makin enough money to put steaks in the freezer tell him to get a better freakin' job or drag your annoying a$$ off the computer and go to work. Your personal finance problems are not the clients problems.
Dont worry, the gubament will put cheese in your hand, not NJAOWNER.
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Thank you owner for asking.
NJAOwner...notice I didn't include the rest of you......I told my husband of your post and we discussed the tipping situation. He insists there is no set formula that the owners could/should follow, just some basic guidelines. The flightcrew is tipped as one, usually handed to the Captain, who splits it evenly w/the first officer. My husband has "caught the tip" a few times because he is the first one off the plane. Tips run between $50-$200, total for the flight. My husband has only received one $100 tip. There are some factors the owners can consider in setting the amount: Size of party; extra welcome/attention shown to a child; number of bags; amount of catering served; extra flights/legs by the same owner; and service above and beyond duty, such as calling ahead to arrange ground transportation. Additionally, the degree of flying difficulty should be reflected in the tip. Flying in bad weather and/or landing on challenging runways, like those seen in the mountains, would suggest a larger tip/recognition of the effort expended by the flightcrew. The only thing my husband finds insulting is watching the owner tip all of the line guys while he and the Captain are ignored, irregardless of the extra efforts they have gone to on behalf of their passengers. My husband averages one tip in two months time. As with many things in life, it's not just the money, but the appreciation and recognition that goes with tipping which makes the difference in his feelings about the job he performs. Those are the points my husband made in our discussion.
From my perspective, I'd like you to know what happens to those tips. My husband gives them to me to use as "petty cash" for running the household. The money is used for basics such as gas in my car, lunch money for our son, and small amounts of groceries---milk, bread, juice, etc.--those items you run out of frequently. Every tip is appreciated by my family. Yes my husband is a professional, and I realize that there are those that feel he shouldn't be tipped as such. However, he does perform other tasks of a personal nature outside of flying, he makes an effort to be friendly that is not required, and he IS
(embarassingly so) underpaid at $28K a year. He enjoys the job, and believes in fighting for what is right. That said, if fair wages..at least NBAA average.. are refused by the company, then he will be forced to take his talent and experience elsewhere. Many of my friends' husbands are planning to do likewise, IF ( VERY BIG IF) the TA passes. The owners SHOULD be concerned. My husband has flown through very bad weather and made some extremely difficult landings that caused him to draw upon his 20 years of experience gained in military flying. Are they willing to risk their lives and those of their families because NetJets will not pay well enough to retain experienced, high-caliber pilots?
Netjetwife/LB
NJAOwner...notice I didn't include the rest of you......I told my husband of your post and we discussed the tipping situation. He insists there is no set formula that the owners could/should follow, just some basic guidelines. The flightcrew is tipped as one, usually handed to the Captain, who splits it evenly w/the first officer. My husband has "caught the tip" a few times because he is the first one off the plane. Tips run between $50-$200, total for the flight. My husband has only received one $100 tip. There are some factors the owners can consider in setting the amount: Size of party; extra welcome/attention shown to a child; number of bags; amount of catering served; extra flights/legs by the same owner; and service above and beyond duty, such as calling ahead to arrange ground transportation. Additionally, the degree of flying difficulty should be reflected in the tip. Flying in bad weather and/or landing on challenging runways, like those seen in the mountains, would suggest a larger tip/recognition of the effort expended by the flightcrew. The only thing my husband finds insulting is watching the owner tip all of the line guys while he and the Captain are ignored, irregardless of the extra efforts they have gone to on behalf of their passengers. My husband averages one tip in two months time. As with many things in life, it's not just the money, but the appreciation and recognition that goes with tipping which makes the difference in his feelings about the job he performs. Those are the points my husband made in our discussion.
From my perspective, I'd like you to know what happens to those tips. My husband gives them to me to use as "petty cash" for running the household. The money is used for basics such as gas in my car, lunch money for our son, and small amounts of groceries---milk, bread, juice, etc.--those items you run out of frequently. Every tip is appreciated by my family. Yes my husband is a professional, and I realize that there are those that feel he shouldn't be tipped as such. However, he does perform other tasks of a personal nature outside of flying, he makes an effort to be friendly that is not required, and he IS
(embarassingly so) underpaid at $28K a year. He enjoys the job, and believes in fighting for what is right. That said, if fair wages..at least NBAA average.. are refused by the company, then he will be forced to take his talent and experience elsewhere. Many of my friends' husbands are planning to do likewise, IF ( VERY BIG IF) the TA passes. The owners SHOULD be concerned. My husband has flown through very bad weather and made some extremely difficult landings that caused him to draw upon his 20 years of experience gained in military flying. Are they willing to risk their lives and those of their families because NetJets will not pay well enough to retain experienced, high-caliber pilots?
Netjetwife/LB
This tipping talk makes me uncomfortable. Please do not feel like you need to tip the pilots.
I have accepted tips and been glad for the money. But it also makes me feel a bit dirty. However I would NEVER EVER ask for or hint about getting a tip. Thats way low and dirty.
So I just wanted to add my 2 cents and say please do not feel obligated to tip!
I have accepted tips and been glad for the money. But it also makes me feel a bit dirty. However I would NEVER EVER ask for or hint about getting a tip. Thats way low and dirty.
So I just wanted to add my 2 cents and say please do not feel obligated to tip!
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