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Hey,

If you do get a class at Horizon when do they tell you what aircraft and base you have? Do you get to choose or give a preference?

Thanks
 

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They put you in whatever aircraft they need people. You find out where you are based during ground school sometime, again where they need you. You can always bid to switch bases, but trying to switch a/c as an fo is dammn near impossible.
 

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superbeechpilot said:
Hey,

If you do get a class at Horizon when do they tell you what aircraft and base you have? Do you get to choose or give a preference?

Thanks


They generally tell you what a/c when you are offered the class. Then, as was posted, you find out about 1-2 weeks into ground exactly which base. However, there isn't much mystery.

200 SEA to start most likely, probably wouldn't take long to get PDX
400 PDX only base.
CRJ DEN to start; a few recent new hires wanted PDX, so it might take a little while to get PDX.
 

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If I'm already flying the RJ do you think that they'd put me on the RJ or is that not taken into consideration? How long is training and do/what you get paid? Is all training at PDX?
 

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All the ground training is done at PDX, and the sim is done in Seattle. They pay you 16 hours per week at the base pay which I believe is around $30 per hour. The hotel is free, but double occupancy. They have a great breakfast by the way.
There is no ryhme or reason as to what plane they put you in, however, you would probably have a good shot at the RJ. The 400 is fun to fly, but our pilot group isn't too hung up on equipment. We all get paid the same, however, we would all probably agree the 200 isn't much fun in the summer. You sweat like crazy, and the legs aren't long enough to really cool down.
 
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Is it mandatory that you stay in the hotel, or are you allowed to stay at home with your family if you live in PDX? My current airline required that you stay in the hotel. Any idea around how much you typically take home per month...with per diem and overblock...etc? Is the pilot group happy with Teamsters? Thanks for all of the info...just trying to find out everyithing before I decide to make the switch.
 

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They don't require you to stay in the hotel, either in PDX during ground training or SEA for sim, as far as I know.

To figure out how much you "take home"...take the guarantee and multiply it by the lowest hourly rate, minus out your typical taxes and add in at best $300 for per diem. "Overblock"?? I suggest you talk to someone about this great contract they work under. It is the most ridiculous document I have ever heard of in 30 years of airline flying.

Happy with the Teamsters? See how happy you are after you read the contract. Ask some simple questions such as "why do you get paid -200 rate even though you are a 3rd year Q400 or CRJ pilot?" Ask "why do I not get to bid on my initial domicile or aircraft assignment and if I want to bid out of this assignment...which I can only do after 2 years and then only to a "higher paying" airframe, why do I have to start over at the bottom of THAT payscale?" Ask, "why does any adjustment to my monthly pay credits come off of the guarantee instead of the line value?" Ask "how is it possible to change the schedules after the bid lines have come out and the bidding closed so that now the trips that are awarded are NOT what you bid, and why is my only pay protection in this case the minimum guarantee instead of my original line value?"

There are tons more you could ask. Go ahead, think of some. Then ask the Teamsters (or the Horizon pilot representatives of such).
 
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Im not saying our CBA is perferct, but at my experience level (regionals)I've flown a couple of other places and one of which is the best regional in alot of peoples eyes and I think it is better than the other two places. As for teamsters, it is our first contract but also was completed just before 9/11 so we'll see what happens next year when the contract expires.
 

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I figured the "first contract" excuse would come up, I just didn't think it would be in the very first post.

Now watch how many more will come out in defense of this POS. I guess when you come straight from being a CFI anything would look good. No wonder they like to keep that UND pipeline open.
 

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I guess you missed the part of the post saying that I had flown at couple of other places at the regional level before horizon. And compared to the other places the majority of this POS as you call it is better.
 

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Sioux115 said:
I guess you missed the part of the post saying that I had flown at couple of other places at the regional level before horizon.

I didn't miss that at all and when I said "you" I wasn't talking about YOU personally. I guess you missed that I didn't quote your post (or anyone else's). I simply offered my opinions and observations.

How easily everyone on this board gets offended and how everyone thinks it's all about THEM.
 

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Yank McCobb said:
They don't require you to stay in the hotel, either in PDX during ground training or SEA for sim, as far as I know.

To figure out how much you "take home"...take the guarantee and multiply it by the lowest hourly rate, minus out your typical taxes and add in at best $300 for per diem. "Overblock"?? I suggest you talk to someone about this great contract they work under. It is the most ridiculous document I have ever heard of in 30 years of airline flying.

Happy with the Teamsters? See how happy you are after you read the contract. Ask some simple questions such as "why do you get paid -200 rate even though you are a 3rd year Q400 or CRJ pilot?" Ask "why do I not get to bid on my initial domicile or aircraft assignment and if I want to bid out of this assignment...which I can only do after 2 years and then only to a "higher paying" airframe, why do I have to start over at the bottom of THAT payscale?" Ask, "why does any adjustment to my monthly pay credits come off of the guarantee instead of the line value?" Ask "how is it possible to change the schedules after the bid lines have come out and the bidding closed so that now the trips that are awarded are NOT what you bid, and why is my only pay protection in this case the minimum guarantee instead of my original line value?"

There are tons more you could ask. Go ahead, think of some. Then ask the Teamsters (or the Horizon pilot representatives of such).

Keep in mind that you don't see too many threads about horizon on this site, and you certainly don't see any of our pilots posting this garbage. Overall, its a pretty happy work with some old gray dogs who have been around the block. Our union knows how to handle our management. Many don't know this, but we were approached with concessions, with the promise of growth before the Frontier deal and we told them to shove it up thier @ss. They got the deal anyway.
 

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So are you trying to say that ANY of that information I posted is inaccurate? That those are NOT provisions of your current CBA?

If so, you are out and out LYING. Or you are just too stupid to know the difference.

I have an idea. Ask to be paid Q400 pay since you are flying that aircraft. Or if you have reached that "magic" company number where you actually qualify to be paid for the aircraft you fly, then bid over to the CRJ. I mean, they are putting new hires in it. When you get there, ask for 4th or 5th year (or whatever year you are) pay. When they tell you no, tell them to "shove it up their @ss" then see how much help your union will be getting YOUR @ss out of the crack it will be in.
 
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Yank McCobb says:

Blah blah blah blah

I thought you retired? I sure as hell wouldn't be hangin around here if I were retired.
 

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DoubleDown said:
Keep in mind that you don't see too many threads about horizon on this site, and you certainly don't see any of our pilots posting this garbage. Overall, its a pretty happy work with some old gray dogs who have been around the block. Our union knows how to handle our management. Many don't know this, but we were approached with concessions, with the promise of growth before the Frontier deal and we told them to shove it up thier @ss. They got the deal anyway.

You don't want to know how pissed I would be if we had taken those concessions for the promise of "growth" and they still ended up reducing PDX flying to ship it out to DEN when it was all said and done.

Yank, the Teamsters aren't perfect like your holy grail that is called ALPA.
 

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Yank:

You are a retired Southwest pilot, right?

Not flamebait, but what's your interest in Horizon? I never see you post about anyone else's contract, (maybe I missed it) or for the non-union carriers, work rules.

I don't understand the QX contract as well as you do, because I haven't been in the industry as long as you have. I understand your objections to the current contract, but I wonder if you were (or are) well-acquainted with the circumstances at the time of its ratification.

My sense is that some aspects of compensation and work rules in the contract are pretty good. Hourly rates are very good (industry-leading?) for new hires, even RJ new-hires. Per diem is good. Rigs seem decent. What's your perspective? Does the contract have any redeeming qualities?

Are all those 4-, 5-, and 6-year FO's the dimmest bulbs in the industry? Or is there some other quality about Horizon keeping folks there?
 
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