What's going on at AA re: furlough recalls?

[GIII Instructor]

pure speculation... 60 aircraft to be parked replaced by 36 new 737's equals a net loss of 24 jets at 10 pilots per jet 240 fewer pilots. but oh wait we were already short 167 pilots going into the summer. difference? 73 fewer pilots needed. not even close to 1000 furloughs...IMO

 

[UALjan15]

AA retirees can take lump sums and almost 100% do. You'd be crazy not to. If AA does even hint at BK, you can bet that there will be upwards of a thousand pilots bail. Arpey knows that. That would put the company in a real training bind, and deservedly so.

Any thoughts that they might follow Delta's lead and allow retired guys to stick around for a limited time? Getting rid of them doesn't really help much because everyone ready to upgrade is way over 12 years, so they'd just be replacing one max pay guy for another. Then you add the training costs and shortfalls...you're right, could be ugly.

 

[Razorback Flyer]

Now I'm getting this info from APC - their info usually seems fairly accurate and up to date - so assuming it is correct...

They've announced parking of 40 to 45 mainline aircraft through the end of 2009 - mainly 80's and A 300's.

However I show their order schedule as 34 737's in 2009 and 36 in 2010 (and I believe they just recently accelerated these orders to the current numbers.) Now, we all know orders can be canceled or deffered (or aircraft retirements could be accelerated further,) but right now that hasn't been announced.

Maybe my math is fuzzy, but I'm showing a net gain of 25 aircraft by the end of 2010 (again as it stands right now.)

 

[Wingman10]

Those 73's (34 in 09, 36 in 10) are coming on the property at a rate of 3 a month starting in Jan 09. This may change ( If they could come tomorrow AA would like them too) but that is the latest info that I have.
I have NOT seen it written where the S80's and Airbus's are being phased out over 09 like Razor states. The feeling is that the intial reduction will happen quickly, perhaps 20-25 a/c by years end. then the 73's will come if not sooner and replace exiting s80's.
The problem lies in just where the company goes from here and when and how the plan to reduce even further the number of 80 a/c. Ideally a 1 for 1 would be the best but logic and efficiency states that 1 to 1 1/2 73's for every 2 80's is more likely.
Having said all of this, furloughs may happen but at a slower pace or they mey not happen at all with the possibility of retirements and the training needed to fullfill the oncoming 73's.
Let's see which way the company plays thier hand.

Keep a watchful eye for early to mid Septmeber. Thier actions may tell which way they are leaning.

 

[bizicmo]

First person hired off the street, whenever that is, will be #1 on the seniority list for a minimum of ten years.

 

[thruthemurk]

It all depends how old they are when hired. Time since hiring is only one factor.

 

[Vne]

100-800 furloughs starting 09/08 TBA 3rd week July.
jmo...

 

[AA717driver]

I'm guessing the 25 -80's and 15 300's will be parked and the coming 737's will replace more aircraft to be parked.

FA's rumor is 5,000 furloughed.

Crew waiting for SFO van was panic'd over the parking of ALL 737's and cancelling orders.

TC

 

[bubbers44]

First person hired off the street, whenever that is, will be #1 on the seniority list for a minimum of ten years.

You would need to be 32 or younger if hired today to get to #1 at all. Hundreds of our guys are retiring between 2035 and 2041.

 

[Wingman10]

I'm guessing the 25 -80's and 15 300's will be parked and the coming 737's will replace more aircraft to be parked.

This I believe to be the case ( when and how many is the big question)

FA's rumor is 5,000 furloughed.

5,000 total employees ???? how many pilots are in that number??????

Crew waiting for SFO van was panic'd over the parking of ALL 737's and cancelling orders.


Parking of all the 73's, that makes no sense at all.
Cancelling orders perhaps, AA has given no indication that is indeed the case. We shall now soon enough.

 

[stlflyguy]

How many AA pilots think their A-plan would survive a bankruptcy?

stlflyguy

 

[ultrarunner]

How many AA pilots think their A-plan would survive a bankruptcy?

stlflyguy

Hopefully ZERO.

You know there are a few at Delta that had the greed-factor a month or two too long. Look what that got 'em!

 

[Draginass]

How many AA pilots think their A-plan would survive a bankruptcy?

stlflyguy

It will survive, but the lump sum payout will be gone gone gone. And who knows if the annuity will actually be around to pay out when the time comes in a few years. You'd have to be a Class 1 idiot not to take the money and run if it looked like BK was even a thin possibility 90 days out from then. If you don't, you deserve to pay the imbecile tax.

 

[AA717driver]

I
FA's rumor is 5,000 furloughed.

5,000 total employees ???? how many pilots are in that number??????

Crew waiting for SFO van was panic'd over the parking of ALL 737's and cancelling orders.


Parking of all the 73's, that makes no sense at all.
Cancelling orders perhaps, AA has given no indication that is indeed the case. We shall now soon enough.

Now I find out the person who told me that was talking to a UNITED crew.

I need to get better sources... TC