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What's going on at AA re: furlough recalls?

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Are they still recalling or has it stopped? At what point on the recall list (DOH) are they at now?
 
I believe they are about halfway into the furlough list. Recalls have stopped. Last class was early June. Since they're into the stapled TWA pilots, DOH doesn't have much meaning.

IMHO, there's a fair possibility of re-furloughing recallees this fall.

Don't quit your day job to come back to AA, or any major airline for that matter.
 
Draginass said:
I believe they are about halfway into the furlough list. Recalls have stopped. Last class was early June. Since they're into the stapled TWA pilots, DOH doesn't have much meaning.

IMHO, there's a fair possibility of re-furloughing recallees this fall.

Don't quit your day job to come back to AA, or any major airline for that matter.
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If you guys do go BK in the Fall of Winter, I think plenty of your Captians will leave with their pensions, and then you will recall more of your furloughed pilots, at a reduced rate thanks to BK.... you dodged BK once, but this time it may get you....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
If you guys do go BK in the Fall of Winter, I think plenty of your Captians will leave with their pensions, and then you will recall more of your furloughed pilots, at a reduced rate thanks to BK.... you dodged BK once, but this time it may get you....


Bye Bye--General Lee
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I hope what happened at Delta happens everywhere else. More people taking early outs than they asked for. It would sure help the guys that got held down by age 65 and those who are going to get furloughed.

A Concerned CAL Pilot
 
General Lee said:
If you guys do go BK in the Fall of Winter, I think plenty of your Captians will leave with their pensions, and then you will recall more of your furloughed pilots, at a reduced rate thanks to BK.... you dodged BK once, but this time it may get you....


Bye Bye--General Lee
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I think anyone with any retirement pensions intact is foolish for sticking around. Take the lump sum and get out with it while you can. Love flying so much take a corporate gig or go work as a part time CFI when YOU feel like it. I know a few guys at USAir that have nothing now rather than cash in their chips when they could.
 
spitfire1500 said:
...I know a few guys at USAir that have nothing now rather than cash in their chips when they could.
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I don't see how that's the case. The lump sum option was not available for early retirement at USAir since the early 90's due to low interest rates. There was an ERIP in the 98-2000 time frame where 75% lump plus annuity was offered, but no opportunity for lump sums was available after that up to the pension termination.
 
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AA retirees can take lump sums and almost 100% do. You'd be crazy not to. If AA does even hint at BK, you can bet that there will be upwards of a thousand pilots bail. Arpey knows that. That would put the company in a real training bind, and deservedly so.

Any thing is possible with any of the carriers this fall through spring. The wretched state corrupt and incompetent government and corporate leadership has brought us to the brink of collapse.
 
General Lee said:
If you guys do go BK in the Fall of Winter, I think plenty of your Captians will leave with their pensions,


Bye Bye--General Lee
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You got it right....we have a whole handful of retired Delta Captains who came to SWA with their Delta money.

But lots of those were also guys affected by the DFW hub closing....and it wasn't just Pilots either...got a bunch of former DFW Delta folks working all over the company.
 
AA has to be careful not to start a 'run on the bank'.

Looks like no FERB for me... :( TC
 
BigMeat said:
I hope what happened at Delta happens everywhere else. More people taking early outs than they asked for. It would sure help the guys that got held down by age 65 and those who are going to get furloughed.

A Concerned CAL Pilot
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Has there been any numbers seen on buyouts of pilots?...I have only seen MGMt.
 
You can probably expect massive furloughs at AA this fall. The company is being quiet about it to keep sick time usage down for the summer. After that, there will be at least 1,000 out the door. Wish it wasn't so, but it's coming.
 
spacecadet1 said:
You can probably expect massive furloughs at AA this fall. The company is being quiet about it to keep sick time usage down for the summer. After that, there will be at least 1,000 out the door. Wish it wasn't so, but it's coming.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, IMO. TC

P.S.--I'm being proactive and burning all my sick leave anyway! :p
 
pure speculation... 60 aircraft to be parked replaced by 36 new 737's equals a net loss of 24 jets at 10 pilots per jet 240 fewer pilots. but oh wait we were already short 167 pilots going into the summer. difference? 73 fewer pilots needed. not even close to 1000 furloughs...IMO
 
Draginass said:
AA retirees can take lump sums and almost 100% do. You'd be crazy not to. If AA does even hint at BK, you can bet that there will be upwards of a thousand pilots bail. Arpey knows that. That would put the company in a real training bind, and deservedly so.
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Any thoughts that they might follow Delta's lead and allow retired guys to stick around for a limited time? Getting rid of them doesn't really help much because everyone ready to upgrade is way over 12 years, so they'd just be replacing one max pay guy for another. Then you add the training costs and shortfalls...you're right, could be ugly.
 
Now I'm getting this info from APC - their info usually seems fairly accurate and up to date - so assuming it is correct...

They've announced parking of 40 to 45 mainline aircraft through the end of 2009 - mainly 80's and A 300's.

However I show their order schedule as 34 737's in 2009 and 36 in 2010 (and I believe they just recently accelerated these orders to the current numbers.) Now, we all know orders can be canceled or deffered (or aircraft retirements could be accelerated further,) but right now that hasn't been announced.

Maybe my math is fuzzy, but I'm showing a net gain of 25 aircraft by the end of 2010 (again as it stands right now.)
 
Those 73's (34 in 09, 36 in 10) are coming on the property at a rate of 3 a month starting in Jan 09. This may change ( If they could come tomorrow AA would like them too) but that is the latest info that I have.
I have NOT seen it written where the S80's and Airbus's are being phased out over 09 like Razor states. The feeling is that the intial reduction will happen quickly, perhaps 20-25 a/c by years end. then the 73's will come if not sooner and replace exiting s80's.
The problem lies in just where the company goes from here and when and how the plan to reduce even further the number of 80 a/c. Ideally a 1 for 1 would be the best but logic and efficiency states that 1 to 1 1/2 73's for every 2 80's is more likely.
Having said all of this, furloughs may happen but at a slower pace or they mey not happen at all with the possibility of retirements and the training needed to fullfill the oncoming 73's.
Let's see which way the company plays thier hand.

Keep a watchful eye for early to mid Septmeber. Thier actions may tell which way they are leaning.
 
First person hired off the street, whenever that is, will be #1 on the seniority list for a minimum of ten years.
 
I'm guessing the 25 -80's and 15 300's will be parked and the coming 737's will replace more aircraft to be parked.

FA's rumor is 5,000 furloughed.

Crew waiting for SFO van was panic'd over the parking of ALL 737's and cancelling orders.

:rolleyes: TC
 
bizicmo said:
First person hired off the street, whenever that is, will be #1 on the seniority list for a minimum of ten years.
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You would need to be 32 or younger if hired today to get to #1 at all. Hundreds of our guys are retiring between 2035 and 2041.
 
I'm guessing the 25 -80's and 15 300's will be parked and the coming 737's will replace more aircraft to be parked.

This I believe to be the case ( when and how many is the big question)

FA's rumor is 5,000 furloughed.

5,000 total employees ???? how many pilots are in that number??????

Crew waiting for SFO van was panic'd over the parking of ALL 737's and cancelling orders.


Parking of all the 73's, that makes no sense at all.
Cancelling orders perhaps, AA has given no indication that is indeed the case. We shall now soon enough.
 
stlflyguy said:
How many AA pilots think their A-plan would survive a bankruptcy?

stlflyguy
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It will survive, but the lump sum payout will be gone gone gone. And who knows if the annuity will actually be around to pay out when the time comes in a few years. You'd have to be a Class 1 idiot not to take the money and run if it looked like BK was even a thin possibility 90 days out from then. If you don't, you deserve to pay the imbecile tax.
 
Wingman10 said:
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FA's rumor is 5,000 furloughed.

5,000 total employees ???? how many pilots are in that number??????

Crew waiting for SFO van was panic'd over the parking of ALL 737's and cancelling orders.


Parking of all the 73's, that makes no sense at all.
Cancelling orders perhaps, AA has given no indication that is indeed the case. We shall now soon enough.
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Now I find out the person who told me that was talking to a UNITED crew.

I need to get better sources... :rolleyes: TC
 

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