What the 717 leaving means

[FIREMAN]

Not trying to start another argument just want to know if the SW pilots understand what it means to them for the 717 leaving early.



The SLI we all voted on had approximately 550 AirTran pilots coming across the partition as 717 captains. Now that the 717's will not be coming across those 550 captains will now be 737 FOs.

This means if you are not one of the FOs that captures one of those 550 captain slots you will end up with an additional 550
FOs above you. You're bidding power will be greatly reduced and you could even get pushed out of your base.
The junior captains will do okay at first but then as our senior guys upgrade in 2015 they will continue to be pushed down and kept on reserve.



If we were able to keep those 550 captain slots this would be greatly reduced. Yes those 550 FOs that would have gotten those captain slots would not get as quick of upgrade but the rest of the FOs would not suffer nearly as bad.

 

[General Lee]

It's called stagnation for many of the SWA FOs. The AT guys, as a group, are younger on average, and with the lack of huge retirement numbers coming up, plus lack of movement when someone actually does leave (one Capt leaves, one FO upgrade, one newhire---compared to 8 or 9 upward movements when a legacy Capt leaves), means LBB and AMA on weekends, for decades. But, if you can put up with all that, then it is likely you won't mind the multiple leg days with 25 min turns and one fleet type forever. Good luck to all current and future Corndogs!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[AA717driver]

As AA found out when they dumped many of those nasty TWA airplanes (some of those now going to Delta), an airframe is an airframe and that equates to approximately 6-7 crews.

Airplanes are jobs.

TC

P.S.--Heard a SWA FA talking about getting rid of those airplanes because they weren't cost effective and the RR engines were junk. Maybe someone forgot to tell that to Gulfstream and Bombardier. They seem to work just fine...

 

[bladeusa]

Hey at least its seniority order.. Oh wait no it isn't. FO's hired after me have already transitioned over. And only 9 ATL 737 FO's going over in next 10 months. Whats another 50k a year x 3 years anyway. Smooth move AT NC/MEC.

 

[trip]

As planned from day one.

 

[FIREMAN]

The plan from day one was for people with SW 737 FO to transition out of order depending on base. Not for junior 717 TBA to transition to SW 737 FO before senior guys with SW 737 FO.

 

[PanPan]

What it really means is that there will be 1100 pilots displaced to 737 FO on the SW side.

Any SWAPA guys know what rights a displaced pilot has under your contract, because that's the contract that will govern their displacement. (Hint, there are going to be a lot of RSW fo's changing domiciles.)

 

[shootr]

Wrong. A transition from AT to SWA is not a displacement per the SLI AGREEMENT. Wherever there are vacancies is where they will go.

 

[Phlintstone]

Wrong. A transition from AT to SWA is not a displacement per the SLI AGREEMENT. Wherever there are vacancies is where they will go.

Wrong. A transition to SW 717 CA/FO is the awarded bid from the SLI. That bid is no longer exists...ie a displacment. Just wait until all those RSW FOs get to commute to OAK/LAS again. :bawling:

SC may have hooked up the senior FOs but he royally screwed the junior ones!

Phred

 

[Angus Khan]

This sounds painfully familiar...