What the 717 leaving means

[27 driver]

Wrong. A transition from AT to SWA is not a displacement per the SLI AGREEMENT. Wherever there are vacancies is where they will go.

Maybe or maybe not. Many were awarded positions that don't exist. If this DRC pans out there will be a lot of displaced AAI folks. There are many 737 guys awarded 717 capt slots that will not be honored. There are lots of out of seniority transitions. There are lots of us awarded 717 FO slots that wont exist after 2015. Time will tell. You may not agree but we were lied to. I was awarded a 717 TPA slot. Is that going to happen?

 

[texman]

ATL base in first quarter of 2013. This will help.

 

[madjack]

AT ALPA MEC totally dropped the ball by not allowing sl9 to go out for mbrship vote...The 717 going away sooner than later does not change this fact...the AAI side gambled away the base/seat/pay protections for more seniority... Which they got...

 

[JIL]

Maybe or maybe not. Many were awarded positions that don't exist. If this DRC pans out there will be a lot of displaced AAI folks. There are many 737 guys awarded 717 capt slots that will not be honored. There are lots of out of seniority transitions. There are lots of us awarded 717 FO slots that wont exist after 2015. Time will tell. You may not agree but we were lied to. I was awarded a 717 TPA slot. Is that going to happen?

717 TPA? you must've gotten the only one - never saw that on the bid

 

[Lear70]

ATL base in first quarter of 2014. This will help.

There. Fixed it for you.

Bet you a C-note.

 

[scoreboardII]

Not trying to start another argument just want to know if the SW pilots understand what it means to them for the 717 leaving early.



The SLI we all voted on had approximately 550 AirTran pilots coming across the partition as 717 captains. Now that the 717's will not be coming across those 550 captains will now be 737 FOs.

This means if you are not one of the FOs that captures one of those 550 captain slots you will end up with an additional 550
FOs above you. You're bidding power will be greatly reduced and you could even get pushed out of your base.
The junior captains will do okay at first but then as our senior guys upgrade in 2015 they will continue to be pushed down and kept on reserve.



If we were able to keep those 550 captain slots this would be greatly reduced. Yes those 550 FOs that would have gotten those captain slots would not get as quick of upgrade but the rest of the FOs would not suffer nearly as bad.

The old, let us keep our captain slots so you'll have better seniority as FO lie. Nice try.

 

[freightdogfred]

Why did Southwest buy Airtran?

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AirTran Integration
Why did we buy AirTran?
AirTran flew to U.S. destinations that we did not, but wanted to. Those markets were well-served, and with low fares. There was no profitable opportunity to add those cities to Southwest with our own aircraft. And, we are already below our profitability requirement. In several cases, there was no airport or slot access available. After the AirTran acquisition, we have the Continental U.S. virtually covered for 737 service.
AirTran was for sale at a price that was extremely attractive. Essentially, we bought 140 airplanes, 25 new cities, and a business that was profitable. AirTran is already more profitable under Southwest. And, it will be more profitable, still, once it is completely integrated into Southwest. Without AirTran, we could not have achieved all-time second quarter record profits.
AirTran has a valuable, profitable international presence and gives us a running start into our own international expansion, which cannot start for two more years.
AirTran is a high-quality, low-cost airline with outstanding People who know the importance of hard work and perseverance.
AirTran will boost our combined profits by at least $400 million a year; rapidly expand our domestic route network; instantly establish us in near-international markets; and position us for significant route network growth opportunities.
Finally, integrating AirTran will lower our unit cost.
Said a different way, there is no way we would be prepared to do international, expand our domestic U.S. footprint, and operate near 700 aircraft in a decade, maybe even two. AirTran propels us forward, and at a speed we can manage, with better profitability. It is a huge win.

Quoted from GK's mid year update

 

[Ty Webb]

AT ALPA MEC totally dropped the ball by not allowing sl9 to go out for mbrship vote...The 717 going away sooner than later does not change this fact...the AAI side gambled away the base/seat/pay protections for more seniority... Which they got...

I really have to laugh when I see SWA guys trying to tell us what we should or shouldn't have done.

Maybe you should be mad at Steve Chase for selling you on the idea that your FO's shoulder all of the pain. . . . . Did you ever think of that?

Seems to me like you have enough to deal with on your side of the partition, without telling us what to do on ours.

 

[GIZMONC]

Rumor around campus that MKE and MCO AT pilot base is closing ? Anyone able to confirm. Also and how soon?

 

[27 driver]

Latest email from Russel Mccrady states that MCO 717 flying is strong through 2013. I don't believe much of what we are told these days. Also says they will comply with our bid. Looks like people who bid off the 73 to the 717 will now go to the 717 even if it is short lived. It would seem that the training dept will be busy for a while.