What role and influence did ALPA serve in AGE 65

[BrickTop]

Curious to the level of influence ALPA played to approve or disapprove congress passing the Age 65 into law.

 

[Whine Lover]

Who gives a Rat's?

Everybody just deal with it.

Next topic please....

 

[Fubijaakr]

No kidding. Talk about water under the bridge. Age 60 ain't never coming back, so get over it already.

 

[BrickTop]

Well how about considering that ALPA played such a large role in the AGE 65 law and its effects have rained hell on the regionals and lower portions of the Majors. I find it amazing that ALPA has the guts to push for a Union drive at a few select regional carriers. But then again when did ALPA ever help anyone in the bottom 80% of the industry. I have no sympathy for those few select pilots who made exorbant amounts of money and were still unable to retire and pushed for a 5 year extention destroying the lower 80%. So if I am mistaken on my facts, instead of being a jacka$$ and bashing the thread how about helping to understand the facts of the new law and how it came about. Wait this is flightinfo, I should never have expected anyone to be considerate or courteous. Even on the "Majors" board.

 

[relief tube]

I agree, sure there's some switched careers or started late that with their portfolios tanking, sure, but the ********************ers that have been making 6 figures for 30 years who wipe their arse with $5 bills, get the ******************** out and retire, ya greedy bastard.

 

[Whine Lover]

"... instead of being a jacka$$ and bashing the thread how about helping to understand the facts of the new law and how it came about."

Okay. fair enough.

The facts:

- Some people in this industry didn't want to retire at age 60.

- Enough of them got together in the right place at the right time and pushed to change the law.

- Now airline pilots in the U.S are mandated to retire at age 65.

- The End.


Next topic:

The Boston Tea Party. Who helped throw all that tea into the Harbor?


Discuss.


Signed,

YKIMAJ(ack)A(zz)

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

If there was no ALPA, the age limit would've changed to 65 at LEAST when it did, and it might have been earlier, as ALPA was a staunch opponent of anything other than Age 60 for a long, long time.

If ALPA campained against Age 65, it would've changed when it did.

So, in fact, ALPA's effect on Age 65, if any, was to delay it's implementation.

Age 65 changed because of 3 main factors:
Most important: The Baby Boom.
Social Security's and Medicaire's financial positions are getting worse and worse all the time, and the gov't need for people to keep working longer to put more money into them.

2-Airlines were going under and/or shedding their labour agreements for retirees, which meant more and more of them were losing their pensions at Age 60, with no sign of money 'til SocSec kicked in down the road.

3-Airlines were going under and/or shedding their labour agreements for retirees, which meant more and more of them were losing their medical benefits at Age 60, with no sign of money 'til Medicaire kicked in down the road.

cliff
GRB

 

[JungleJett]

No kidding. Talk about water under the bridge.

So why is there still a scab list?

Do you support its existence?

 

[FDJ2]

The facts:[/U]

- Some people in this industry didn't want to retire at age 60.

- Enough of them got together in the right place at the right time and pushed to change the law.

- Now airline pilots in the U.S are mandated to retire at age 65.

- The End.

That's about right. Highly motivated, they put their time and money behind their legislative initiative and effected change.

OTOH, only 14% of ALPA pilots support their own political action committee ALPA-PAC.

 

[sinkrate]

Curious to the level of influence ALPA played to approve or disapprove congress passing the Age 65 into law.

ALPA had zero influence on the subject. The ICAO had already changed its rule. There were pilots over 60 flying in the US already. They just were not American pilots. The ICAO deadline for each member country to change the rule was close. Since the US Congress had voted on and accepted the various agreements that brought the US into the ICAO Congress had little choice but to accept the change. Any other course of action would have been viewed by the rest of the world as a breach of diplomacy. ALPA simply jumped on the band wagon for its own political gain. It was going to happen no matter what ALPA did.

 

[Whine Lover]

" It was going to happen no matter what ALPA did."

Very true.

End of discussion. (?)


YKMKR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

They just were not American pilots.

True, and some of those non American pilots were ALPA pilots.

 

[GuppyWN]

Well boys it's started. Word on the hill is that the Age 70 bomb was dropped this week according to the SWAPA president. He specifically said SWAPA is not involved so don't shoot the messenger.

Gup

 

[JungleJett]

I fully support lowering the ATP certification age to 18.

 

[eaglesview]

So why is there still a scab list?

Do you support its existence?

Explain to me how the age 60 ruling has anything to do with the scumbags that think of or have crossed the picket line of a stiking pilot group.

 

[Sandhawk]

Well boys it's started. Word on the hill is that the Age 70 bomb was dropped this week according to the SWAPA president. He specifically said SWAPA is not involved so don't shoot the messenger.

Gup

Are you ********************ing kidding me ??????????

 

[eaglesview]

Well boys it's started. Word on the hill is that the Age 70 bomb was dropped this week according to the SWAPA president. He specifically said SWAPA is not involved so don't shoot the messenger.

Gup

That is not accurate. I believe the number is 72.

 

[Jar Jar]

We gonna start stowing a 'walker' in the coat closet too?

 

[JungleJett]

Explain to me how the age 60 ruling has anything to do with the scumbags that think of or have crossed the picket line of a stiking pilot group.

I was responding to a particular post. ALPA has allowed SCABS back into the fold...further polluting the profession. ALPA fully backs the age 65 ruling contrary to members wishes, further crippling the industry..and creating a stagnant environment.


This is not about "water under the bridge" it is another example of failed leadership...on a regular basis.

 

[eaglesview]

I was responding to a particular post. ALPA has allowed SCABS back into the fold...further polluting the profession. ALPA fully backs the age 65 ruling contrary to members wishes, further crippling the industry..and creating a stagnant environment.


This is not about "water under the bridge" it is another example of failed leadership...on a regular basis.

I'm with you on that.