What Others Think of the DAL MEC

[Fly4hire]

This was forwarded to me written by a CAL pilot:

"...Never in a million years did I see coming what happened at DAL - namely, that the DAL pilots would foresake (I wanted to use another term) their ALPA
brothers at NW and do a separate deal with management. Certainly I considered that these managements could force a merger without pilot consent or participation, but in that case I fully expected the two pilot groups to lock arms and march with one voice. Lee Moak at DAL ALPA is Judas as far as I'm concerned. I just can't see it any other way...."

During the strike of 98' (DAL pilots ask CMR how to spell it) we had the saying "A lie is half way the world before the truth gets it's boots on"

The truth is getting it's boots on, and DALPA is going to look like the weak dick Bendict Arnolds they are IMO.

 

[PuffDriver]

This was fowarderd to me written by a CAL pilot:

Yeah, the continental pilots should be throwing stones. Judas is welcoming scabs back into the fold at ALPA.

Nuff said

 

[IronCityBlue]

It all depends on who you believe regarding each sides SLI proposals to eachother. If you believe the Delta version, where NWA pilots tried to get super seniority and flush Delta pilots in the event DC-9's are parked, get credit for phantom options while not giving credit for firm orders for an existing plane, etc. then what are they supposed to do? A sweet 2 billion dollar deal was already trashed because the two sides couldn't agree. Very few, if any, of us actually know either side's position, much less both. But if one side was trying to rape the other with no compromise, and a good deal was ruined in the process and that side still wouldn't budge, there is nothing wrong with negotiating a bridge contract for pay increases during what is very obviouslly going to be an inevitable and very protracted process.

 

[Fly4hire]

Yeah, the continental pilots should be throwing stones. Judas is welcoming scabs back into the fold at ALPA.

Nuff said

We're not talking about CAL.

Was it going to be a rough road getting a workable SLI we could all live with? You bet. Simply amazing you were bought off so easily.

But instead of doing the work, DALPA decided to cross over to the enemy side, "cut and run", break ranks, and deserted their post. Dismissed

Your rationalizations are stating to sound like that of another group of pilots from a few decades ago. Hell of a legacy you guys are creating for yourselves. I hope that bed you made with management is real cozy because they are the only friends you are going to have for a long time.

 

[JohnQ]

This was forwarded to me written by a CAL pilot:


During the strike of 98' (DAL pilots ask CMR how to spell it) we had the saying "A lie is half way the world before the truth gets it's boots on"

The truth is getting it's boots on, and DALPA is going to look like the weak dick Bendict Arnolds they are IMO.

Nice attitude. I do remember sending ALPA monthly assessment checks so Comair F/Os could make more money NOT flying than if they were. I also remember checking every flight I flew to make sure that DAL mgmt didn't try to reallocate CMR flying onto mainline jets.

For all that, CMR pilots then turned around and sued us to try and sneak their way onto our seniority list! Ask me if I take one syllable of your bile seriously.

 

[jkkdca]

Alot of emotion and no facts what so ever. Please look around at some other posts for the letters from DALPA regarding the NWA pilots and how bad we are NOT trying to screw them. Of course if you are a conspiicy theorist like alot of the people here, then there is no hope for you. Why do you misrust so much?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

This was forwarded to me written by a CAL pilot:


During the strike of 98' (DAL pilots ask CMR how to spell it) we had the saying "A lie is half way the world before the truth gets it's boots on"

The truth is getting it's boots on, and DALPA is going to look like the weak dick Bendict Arnolds they are IMO.

I'm not sure that stirring sh*t up just for the sake of stirring sh*t up is particularly constructive at this point, is it?

IMO, there's still plenty of room for cooler heads to prevail on this thing, and sitting around poking at each other with sticks just isn't going to help anyone.

I, for one, will think hurling insults and antagonizing each other is playing right into the money-men's hands and weakening BOTH groups.

I'd better stop, Fins might accuse me of writing kum-by-ya posts and wasting space.

 

[Fly4hire]

Alot of emotion and no facts what so ever. Please look around at some other posts for the letters from DALPA regarding the NWA pilots and how bad we are NOT trying to screw them. Of course if you are a conspiicy theorist like alot of the people here, then there is no hope for you. Why do you misrust so much?

I'll try and make it simple for you -

NWA pilots have had to fight tooth and nail for years for every scrap of contract and to have the contract we do have honored.

Moak (and I'll concede this is not all DAL pilots) has sided with DAL management + NWA management to disadvantage our bargaining position and to impose your "fair" SLI on us, to acheive through duplicty what was stalled at the negotiating table.

The manager you decided to trust is the same one that spent the aforementioned years trying to screw the NWA pilots.

I think you will end up regretting that choice.

 

[Noserider76]

Was it going to be a rough road getting a workable SLI we could all live with? You bet. Simply amazing you were bought off so easily.

But instead of doing the work, DALPA decided to cross over to the enemy side, "cut and run", break ranks, and deserted their post. Dismissed

Your rationalizations are stating to sound like that of another group of pilots from a few decades ago. Hell of a legacy you guys are creating for yourselves. I hope that bed you made with management is real cozy because they are the only friends you are going to have for a long time.

DALPA = Dishonor, Deceit, Duplicity

FUD

The reality is DALPA negotiates for Delta pilots. NWALPA negotiates for NW pilots. DALPA was able to secure a little for the Delta pilots without adversely affecting the NW pilots after it became clear the SLI was not happening and the merger was. I've heard first hand the way your Premium Widebody Flying merger committee worked. One group came in with compromise in mind the other opened up with both barrels. The well was poisoned from the beginning.
Confrontation is an addiction for you guys. The reality is, you think DL pilots threw you under the bus. I don't see it at all but I'm certain if the roles were reversed you would have backed over us and run us over a second time.

Please help us kill this idiotic hedge fund idea by not showing up for work, using all the gas you can, and putting stickers all over your flight kit.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Confrontation is an addiction for you guys. The reality is, you think DL pilots threw you under the bus. If the roles were reversed you would have backed over us and run us over a second time.

See.. more needless "Stick-poking". How about this? When one group actually successfully screws the other group, then we can have a fist-fight (ok, the General can resort to fingernail scratching and hair pulling). Until then, perhaps we could actually direct our anger and frustration towards the appropriate people (hint... NOT other pilots)

Whatever, you guys go at it. I'm done with slinging mud for now, because it only serves the people who stand to gain by dividing us (hint again... NOT other pilots).