What now for Mesaba?

[Flybet3]

Alright here is how the game works. Delta knows that ASA has rights to most of the flying in ATL as per their agreement when Skywest bought them from Delta (Am I wrong on this? Is it true its 80% of the regional flying out of ATL?). They want to cut crj 200 flying where it will not cost them in house (parking planes which they are paying for loses them cash, parking other companies planes does not) here is the game, tell Mesaba they are getting crj 900's, putting ASA in a position to now have to negotiate to get them even though they are infringing upon their contract rights. Delta wants to grow Mesaba for a number of reasons, growth there makes sense since they invested millions on Ground training equipment, facilities, and sims. They also know and told their shareholders that growing in house makes more money and XJ has already been through the wringer to force by use of bankruptcy to get their cost structure down. So Now ASA has to deal with Delta, and has to agree to park 20 of their CRJ 200's for 10 900's. Keeping 5 at XJ to grow westward in house. Delta still has 35 options with Bombardier, who do you think will get those? XJ has a bid in and management has a positive outlook on our competitive bid on those planes. But who knows? Big Delta does. Delta also is doing what NWA did to more than 50 of their smaller outstations. They are making them "outsourced" to non-delta workers. Management is also pretty positive of their big to get 50 of these cities. This is just something I have put together from sources who were at Management seminars and common knowledge of our system. You make up your own mind

Great post bro. I just hope you're right. Cuz if you ain't I might just become a Pararescuer in the Air Force special forces. Or The Army's! LOL. But seriously, that's good job security. Especially since I speak fluent spanish, I can go to colombia and fight drug lords. LOL.
But in all seriousness I hope everything works out everywhere for everyone.

 

[USCtrojan]

Alright here is how the game works. Delta knows that ASA has rights to most of the flying in ATL as per their agreement when Skywest bought them from Delta (Am I wrong on this? Is it true its 80% of the regional flying out of ATL?). They want to cut crj 200 flying where it will not cost them in house (parking planes which they are paying for loses them cash, parking other companies planes does not) here is the game, tell Mesaba they are getting crj 900's, putting ASA in a position to now have to negotiate to get them even though they are infringing upon their contract rights. Delta wants to grow Mesaba for a number of reasons, growth there makes sense since they invested millions on Ground training equipment, facilities, and sims. They also know and told their shareholders that growing in house makes more money and XJ has already been through the wringer to force by use of bankruptcy to get their cost structure down. So Now ASA has to deal with Delta, and has to agree to park 20 of their CRJ 200's for 10 900's. Keeping 5 at XJ to grow westward in house. Delta still has 35 options with Bombardier, who do you think will get those? XJ has a bid in and management has a positive outlook on our competitive bid on those planes. But who knows? Big Delta does. Delta also is doing what NWA did to more than 50 of their smaller outstations. They are making them "outsourced" to non-delta workers. Management is also pretty positive of their big to get 50 of these cities. This is just something I have put together from sources who were at Management seminars and common knowledge of our system. You make up your own mind

I think the biggest mistake that most pilots make is they think in the "here and now." Look at all the doom and gloomers at ASA over the last 6 months? There's so much going on behind the scenes we are not, or ever will be aware of. 2010 is a LOOOOOOOONGGGGGG way away. So many things will happen, but one of them is the economy will be much much much much more sound. The economy, in 2010 will most likely be growing creating a need for more airplanes. Who knows? There's opportunity out there, but one thing I think you will see is ASA flying for another Carrier by then. So, while those 50's may or may not be flying for Delta, they most likely will be flying for another Codeshare.

Trojan

 

[SplitBar]

2010 is a LOOOOOOOONGGGGGG way away. So many things will happen, but one of them is the economy will be much much much much more sound. The economy, in 2010 will most likely be growing creating a need for more airplanes.

Trojan

I'm not a pessimist but I will believe it when I see it. Nonetheless, Cheers to you for being a glass 1/2 full type of guy !! I hope you are correct my friend.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Originally Posted by xjhawk

They want to cut crj 200 flying where it will not cost them in house (parking planes which they are paying for loses them cash, parking other companies planes does not)

Delta still owns 30 of ASA's RJs and leases them to ASA. If 20 RJs are getting parked it will be those.

 

[USCtrojan]

I'm not a pessimist but I will believe it when I see it. Nonetheless, Cheers to you for being a glass 1/2 full type of guy !! I hope you are correct my friend.

Thanks, me too. So far, the doom and gloomers have been wrong, but are hanging on to that "20 more airplanes leaving the property in 2010." The economy, most likely will start recovering mid 2009. Investors are starting to come back with great value. If housing stops going any lower (which is anyones guess, but experts are predicting mid 2009), people will start spending again and quit locking their cash in the mattresses! Trends are funny. You don't start buying a stock as it goes higher....You want to sell it then.....We are currently in arguably the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, it doesn't always stay that way....Things change, they don't ALWAYS suck. I'm hoping we're at the end of that "sucking" part!

Trojan

 

[flyboyike]

I'm hoping we're at the end of that "sucking" part!

Are you the type of guy who can be neck-deep in pig******************** and say something like "what wonderful, pure pig******************** this is!"

 

[USCtrojan]

Are you the type of guy who can be neck-deep in pig******************** and say something like "what wonderful, pure pig******************** this is!"

No, I'm the type of guy that recognizes a cyclical economy. And as in all cycles, you have booms and busts. We're in the tail end of the economy shrinking. There's still a little more to go, but things will get better, always have in the past, why should now be any different?

Trojan

 

[CX880]

Are you the type of guy who can be neck-deep in pig******************** and say something like "what wonderful, pure pig******************** this is!"

Pessimists are usually wrong in this industry. Still it's better to abandon all hope.

 

[flyboyike]

Still it's better to abandon all hope.

I agree, makes it much harder to be disappointed.

 

[lookin4better]

So what's going to happen now at Mesaba with Delta taking away 10 of the 15 promised 900's?
Are you guys looking to furlough, displace or are you guys going to be ok? Did they already hire all the people for the 5 CRJ 900's?

I have to agree with a previous post.... promised? Nothing is promised at any flying job, those planes are not Mesabas, they are Deltas to do with as they please.

 

[contrail67]

It cracks me up how worked up you get over planes that another company owns...and they decide where they go.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The only thing worth getting worked up about is that that company doesn't have its own employees operate it's property.....

 

[sweptback]

The only thing worth getting worked up about is that that company doesn't have its own employees operate it's property.....

Unfortunately the Delta pilots are fine with that.