What now for Mesaba?

[OttoPilot]

Hopefully there won't be numberous forlughes.

Apparently, numerous Captains. If you know what I mean.

 

[Ridgeback]

With al the tak on this thread about the "cheapest."

How much does mesaba cost, ASA, Comair, ect...

Yea, I didn't think you knew....

 

[sweptback]

ASA has the right to match the lowest bid for any new flying in ATL.

 

[Seaknight1]

ASA has the right to match the lowest bid for any new flying in ATL.

Was this a bid or an award? Does that include SLC as well or is that just for SkyWest?

 

[One Wing Low]

Wasnt there something in the latest agreement with Comair that said Comair was garunteed a certain percentage of new DCI flying? What happened there?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Wasnt there something in the latest agreement with Comair that said Comair was garunteed a certain percentage of new DCI flying? What happened there?

None of this is "new" flying. It was all previously awarded to freedom. Delta sees this as a reallocation not an award.

 

[flyboyike]

Wasnt there something in the latest agreement with Comair that said Comair was garunteed a certain percentage of new DCI flying? What happened there?

Even if there were such a guarantee, it's not like Delta would honor it. They don't honor anything else, goodness knows.

 

[Tarzan]

Really?

I don't remember ANY gloating. But then again your post could be read in that light now, couldn't it?

Really?

yaaaaaaaaaaay!

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Well it looks as if Mesaba is the first safe regional...

The only question is how big will they get?

Saabs will be in ATL soon

Mesaba also was in the early stages of getting the ATR-72-600 for NorthWest...

 

[Tarzan]

Wasn't there something in the latest agreement with Comair that said Comair was guaranteed a certain percentage of new DCI flying? What happened there?

There lies the rub when it comes to being wholly owned. The question becomes, "Is Delta going to sue itself if it breaks the agreement?"

 

[CptMurf]

No different than these...

ASA finally gets some 900s, too bad they have to park 20 200s

but the 1st of 20 isn't leaving until 2010...have a feeling those at ASA are safe.

Told ya'.....damn its tough being right all the time.....

Except these are not XJ guys. Interesting they both use the "safe' word.

No gloating. In tough times you have to look out for you and yours. To wipe your brow and have a false since of security when you get good news is inevitable. Maybe they shouldn't have expressed their relief on a forum thread, but don't globally bash a pilot group for a few individual comments.

 

[Tarzan]

No different than these...

I never claimed anyone from ASA had not gloated did I?

Except these are not XJ guys. Interesting they both use the "safe' word.

Maybe they shouldn't have expressed their relief on a forum thread, but don't globally bash a pilot group for a few individual comments.

There always going to be knuckleheads as I pointed out. To come out and claim no one from your company is gloating is asinine at best. However, expressing relief (for now) doesn't come close to gloating. Being thankful none of your fellow employees will walking the streets is another thing entirely. How are the quotes you dug up the exception of ohplease gloating? ASA was on the verge of furloughing and Mesaba has been hiring like mad and these guys are relieved? Come on!

For the record, point out where I bashed an entire pilot group with the exception of Go Jet. I only pointed there have guys doing the same thing you claimed to have no knowledge of.

 

[Flybet3]

Really?

mine was a sarcastic post homo.

 

[BigLebowski]

You don't know who is the "cheapest." That's the thing. ASA may have submitted the lowest bid to fly those aircraft, in which case they may make the smallest margin or loss to fly them. What the pilots take home and what the company charges to fly the aircraft are independent.

...skyw inc. would not have submitted a bid if they weren't going to make money. Not how they operate.

 

[Tarzan]

mine was a sarcastic post homo.

My apologies, you sashaying weenie.

 

[Flybet3]

My apologies, you sashaying weenie.

hahahahahaha!!! Apology accepted you butt loving troll.

 

[cybourg10]

No different than these...



Except these are not XJ guys. Interesting they both use the "safe' word.

No gloating. In tough times you have to look out for you and yours. To wipe your brow and have a false since of security when you get good news is inevitable. Maybe they shouldn't have expressed their relief on a forum thread, but don't globally bash a pilot group for a few individual comments.

Haha why would I gloat about ASA getting 900s when I fly for XJT? There is going to be gloating by any airline employess when there is good news, it doesn't make anyone a bad person.

 

[Tarzan]

hahahahahaha!!! Apology accepted you butt loving troll.

Alright Meat Whistle, you win. :laugh:

 

[CptMurf]

My point was... gloating would entail saying "my airline got the airplanes because they are better than yours." I never heard that. I saw some people saying that others were not hired because they did not meet our current standards, or score better than the other applicants. And some exclaiming their joy that there may be an end to their reserve stint. But no gloating.

The current XJ guys could less about not receiving those airframes (the potential newhires are a different story). The internal XJ boards have no finger pointing, complaining or whining. In fact, there is more time wasted on our uniform policy (peer pressure to stay professional) than whether we get these airframes or not.

I am glad that ASA got them (for now) if it keeps them from furloughing. But since there is an overall net loss, it maybe a shortlived stay of execution. Unless attrition picks up (no lining up that way so far), or they can get contracts with other carriers for those birds (which would be hard fought right now) they will be in the same situation in 2010.

Seems to me, that every airline that has been awarded those aircraft have had someone on here that showed their enthusiasm for the award.

 

[CptMurf]

Haha why would I gloat about ASA getting 900s when I fly for XJT?

That's why I said not XJ guys...instead of ASA guys.
Peace

 

[xjhawk]

Alright here is how the game works. Delta knows that ASA has rights to most of the flying in ATL as per their agreement when Skywest bought them from Delta (Am I wrong on this? Is it true its 80% of the regional flying out of ATL?). They want to cut crj 200 flying where it will not cost them in house (parking planes which they are paying for loses them cash, parking other companies planes does not) here is the game, tell Mesaba they are getting crj 900's, putting ASA in a position to now have to negotiate to get them even though they are infringing upon their contract rights. Delta wants to grow Mesaba for a number of reasons, growth there makes sense since they invested millions on Ground training equipment, facilities, and sims. They also know and told their shareholders that growing in house makes more money and XJ has already been through the wringer to force by use of bankruptcy to get their cost structure down. So Now ASA has to deal with Delta, and has to agree to park 20 of their CRJ 200's for 10 900's. Keeping 5 at XJ to grow westward in house. Delta still has 35 options with Bombardier, who do you think will get those? XJ has a bid in and management has a positive outlook on our competitive bid on those planes. But who knows? Big Delta does. Delta also is doing what NWA did to more than 50 of their smaller outstations. They are making them "outsourced" to non-delta workers. Management is also pretty positive of their big to get 50 of these cities. This is just something I have put together from sources who were at Management seminars and common knowledge of our system. You make up your own mind