What is the Skywest Inc. Plan?

[gojo]

Really? I don't think scope and size of RJs will be changed by the mainline pilots. Nah...


Bye Bye---General Lee

I never mentioned anything about scope or the size of RJs. Why did your mind go there?

 

[Freebrd]

Geez Jenny Leigh "master of the obvious". Such a redundant putz!

NO!

 

[General Lee]

I never mentioned anything about scope or the size of RJs. Why did your mind go there?

Most lifers at the Regionals dream of larger RJs in the "long range plan." I pointed out that was unlikely given current scope and profits at the Legacies. I do hope the majority of Regional pilots who want to go to the Legacies land a job there someday soon. Freebrd, though, will continue to dump lavs with Mercyful Fate in Minot.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[No Delay]

Vote NO

IF (BIG IF) it forces the company into bankruptcy, at least we will all be in it together...management and all.

 

[Dannone]

The same percentage of flying will be done by regionals as it is now. If you want to talk economics, why would Delta take back flying that is cheaper and they can cut back at any time with no cost? When they need to take seats away all they have to do is cut regional flying back. If that flying was "in house " they would still have to pay for planes, pilots ground crews, agents etc. The business model is brilliant but it includes a big dose of regionals and always will

 

[General Lee]

The same percentage of flying will be done by regionals as it is now. If you want to talk economics, why would Delta take back flying that is cheaper and they can cut back at any time with no cost? When they need to take seats away all they have to do is cut regional flying back. If that flying was "in house " they would still have to pay for planes, pilots ground crews, agents etc. The business model is brilliant but it includes a big dose of regionals and always will

I agree that there will always be a need for some regional feed, certain cities cannot sustain a mainline sized jet. But, 88 717s coming in and 215 50 seaters leaving has created a large shift back towards mainline recapturing old routes. The model that worked for the Regionals in the last decade has gone by the wayside. Throw in new hiring standards (1500 or 800 from an approved facility) and new fatigue rules that get rid of something that made Regionals efficient, CDO's or "lean overs", and that side of the industry has really been changed forever. Less efficient means more expensive, and legacy partners don't seem to like that. And, Independence Air proved a Regional going up against the big boys just doesn't last long.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Hey it's that same song again, I swear it is! Putz.

NO!

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Most lifers at the Regionals dream of larger RJs in the "long range plan." I pointed out that was unlikely given current scope and profits at the Legacies. I do hope the majority of Regional pilots who want to go to the Legacies land a job there someday soon. Freebrd, though, will continue to dump lavs with Mercyful Fate in Minot.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Fun stuff. Like your pud, you just keep beating the some old routine...You lack creativity something awful...But, I guess I shouldn't expect too much from someone who makes up the kind of silly garbage that you do...

Bye Bye---Genital Warts

 

[Russ]

Gen lee

Not sure how you arrive at your conclusions. Most of the lifers I know, and I'm one have made our peace with the money (if you can't live happily on a 100+K a year as a lifer Capt, something's wrong) and are seeking QOL improvements. Bigger planes means training, lousy schedules for awhile and other hits. One need only look at the 175 intro to SkyWest to see that the interest among lifers is relatively low.

 

[AntiJedi]

I agree that there will always be a need for some regional feed, certain cities cannot sustain a mainline sized jet. But, 88 717s coming in and 215 50 seaters leaving has created a large shift back towards mainline recapturing old routes. The model that worked for the Regionals in the last decade has gone by the wayside. Throw in new hiring standards (1500 or 800 from an approved facility) and new fatigue rules that get rid of something that made Regionals efficient, CDO's or "lean overs", and that side of the industry has really been changed forever. Less efficient means more expensive, and legacy partners don't seem to like that.

How myopic of you. If airline CEOs thought only a year in advance, I'd agree with you, but they don't. The idealistic vision that your parrot over and over is really just a short-term rationalization of the current industry, and in no way represents a long-term plan by anyone.

 

[Freebrd]

How myopic of you.

Uh oh now you're going to make Jenny look up that word!

NO!

 

[General Lee]

How myopic of you. If airline CEOs thought only a year in advance, I'd agree with you, but they don't. The idealistic vision that your parrot over and over is really just a short-term rationalization of the current industry, and in no way represents a long-term plan by anyone.

How obtuse of you. First, Consolidation has changed things. The big 3 will get bigger, and more profitable. Past changes toward your flying originated in mainline's failures, ie Bankruptcies. DL and UA going BK helped you tremendously. Well, those days seem over. Scope is becoming more restrictive because scope can't be used as a BK bargaining chip. Higher profits mean fewer concessions. Then, throw in your largest group of planes, the 50 seater. Oil sure has made it too expensive to operate. Airline CEOs want to dump them quickly, and new mainline 100 seaters (717s and A319s) are filling in. Then throw in new FAA rules about hiring and fatigue. That there is a double whammy.

So, again, Consolidation, high oil, 50 seater parking, and new FAA rules. Don't be so myopic? Riiiight. Things are a changing..... Thank God the legacies will retire 15,000 over the next decade...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

How obtuse of you. First, Consolidation has changed things. The big 3 will get bigger, and more profitable. Past changes toward your flying originated in mainline's failures, ie Bankruptcies. DL and UA going BK helped you tremendously. Well, those days seem over. Scope is becoming more restrictive because scope can't be used as a BK bargaining chip. Higher profits mean fewer concessions. Then, throw in your largest group of planes, the 50 seater. Oil sure has made it too expensive to operate. Airline CEOs want to dump them quickly, and new mainline 100 seaters (717s and A319s) are filling in. Then throw in new FAA rules about hiring and fatigue. That there is a double whammy.

So, again, Consolidation, high oil, 50 seater parking, and new FAA rules. Don't be so myopic? Riiiight. Things are a changing..... Thank God the legacies will retire 15,000 over the next decade...


Bye Bye---General Lee

You seem to think for some dumb reason that the "big 3" will somehow remain profitable from here on out...Pull your head out of your rectum, and remember this is the airline business we are talking about here...Enjoy the profits while you can, because those days are numbered..

 

[AntiJedi]

How obtuse of you. First, Consolidation has changed things. The big 3 will get bigger, and more profitable. Past changes toward your flying originated in mainline's failures, ie Bankruptcies. DL and UA going BK helped you tremendously. Well, those days seem over. Scope is becoming more restrictive because scope can't be used as a BK bargaining chip. Higher profits mean fewer concessions. Then, throw in your largest group of planes, the 50 seater. Oil sure has made it too expensive to operate. Airline CEOs want to dump them quickly, and new mainline 100 seaters (717s and A319s) are filling in. Then throw in new FAA rules about hiring and fatigue. That there is a double whammy.

So, again, Consolidation, high oil, 50 seater parking, and new FAA rules. Don't be so myopic? Riiiight. Things are a changing..... Thank God the legacies will retire 15,000 over the next decade...


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ah, yes, but that is the CURRENT trend for the next few years while your (and everyone else's, for that matter) contract is in force, and while most of the current 50 seat fleet still operates. It's worthless to use as a measuring stick for the next 10, 20, or even 30 years, though, because neither you nor I know what's to come both in future aircraft and future world events. Past profits don't equal future results, my friend.

What made your post myopic is that you assume that the regionals are just sitting there, doing nothing, blindly accepting some sort of death-spiral fate handed down to them from the feds and your pilot contracts, but that is FAR from the truth.

 

[General Lee]

You seem to think for some dumb reason that the "big 3" will somehow remain profitable from here on out...Pull your head out of your rectum, and remember this is the airline business we are talking about here...Enjoy the profits while you can, because those days are numbered..

Ohhhhh, okay....??? Wow, no actual reasons, just blanket statements. Got any reasons why Mercy? Ah, never mind ...


Bye Bye---General Lee