What is the Skywest Inc. Plan?

[General Lee]

You make it seem like the mainlines aren't in a pickle, either, which is hardly true. They have limitations on where they can send their planes, and they also have to pick their fights. Just look at what's going on at SEA right now.



Let's get something straight. Inefficient doesn't mean "makes negative profit." Your CEO is clearly wanting to increase that $1.5 BILLION in profit. If the 50-seaters were losing money this whole time, they would've been dumped a long time ago.



And yet, Embraer, CSeries, and the RRJ programs seem to be doing JUST fine. (We'll leave Mitsu off the table for now, because that plane isn't flying yet.)

Then throw in new rules that affect the Regionals. In the past 10 years there were plenty of 250 hour wonders coming out of UND or wherever, and that helped feed the Regionals growth. Unlimited supply it seemed. Now, that is changing. Not only is it more expensive to go to those Universities or even do it privately (especially in a downturn), but the GOVT raised the requirements. 1500 min unless you go to an approved (expensive) facility, and even 800 hours isn't easy to get. Next throw in fatigue rules that hamper super efficiency, something Regionals and Major partners count on.



Indy had a lot of other problems besides competing with UA. In fact, competing with UA really WASN'T their problem; it was costs associated with a large, dormant fleet, and the costs and time it took to get the A320 on the certificate.



They were dismantled because they were both wholly owned, and thus easy targets. Yes, Delta was looking to reduce 50-seat lift after the contract was signed, BUT they couldn't just go to anyone and say, "Thou shall..." No, that would be a breach of contract. The 70-seat replacements was negotiated because DL couldn't bully around a contract. SKYW easily took those orphaned airplanes and put them somewhere else, where they're ALSO making a profit.



Keep? No. Leverage, yes.


How much of Delta's profits were from ancillary fees, though? How much of that was from the oil refinery? The 50 to 70 seat reduction had VERY little overall impact on that.



I still don't understand why UA cut those particular flights. Perhaps they weren't tthe biggest profit makers, but they were great connector flights for those who didn't want to bother driving to LAX, and many frequent flyers LOVED them.

Look what's happening in SEA right now you ask? You mean expansion? DL will add nonstops to Hong Kong, Seoul, and Heathrow shortly. The gate problem is being worked on by the airport authority, and the E170/CR9 connection flights are there to provide some feed opportunities that AK cannot provide due to their own planes being full. DL will do it themselves if AK can't. Sounds good to me. Additional mainline flights have been added too, like SEA to ANC.

No, it sounded on the conference calls that the 50 seaters weren't making money. Until the 717s came into the pic, the RJs were the only thing around to provide some feed. Now the 717s fly current 70/76 routes, the 70/76 seaters fly for outgoing 50 seaters. The RJ manufacturers wouldn't take the 50 seater back unless SOME 70/76 seaters were purchased, so overall it worked out well, primarily with 88 717s recapturing a lot of previous mainline routes, at mainline rates! I do see a trend with those 717s, though. They are moving 76 seaters around as they replace them, and even moving Compass E175s out West, with an eventual LAX base for those crews. That means certain carriers with the Majority of flights out West could get replaced. In other words, no feed is permanent I guess....

Did you say there are some bigger RJs out there, like the CSeries? Who will fly them? The scope clauses say mainline pilots. If SKW gets bigger RJs, the contract states they lose DL feed.. Only the "Frontier" grandfather clause remains, since Republic owned Frontier at the time. I don't see that changing. Again, higher profits means fewer concessions at the table.

And, ancillary fees are huge, and apparently not going away. People seem used to them. The debt has been paid down so fast that DL management decided to go for even more, and decrease debt by an additional $3 billion. It's a revenue machine.... Can SKW take advantage of that trend? Not really, DL, UA, AA, and US collect the fees while pax ride on you guys. Billions in extra revenue, all going to your legacy partners. That likely won't change either, or you would probably be replaced, and if you didn't like it, you could always try to be the next Indy Air...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[badog]

airlines that pay a decent wage, with above average work rules and QOL like SkyWest

Hahahahahaha that's rich !
As sky pest guts our contract.

 

[General Lee]

Hahahahahaha that's rich !
As sky pest guts our contract.

Remember, he claims to be a dispatcher for SKW. He might not know what is exactly going on at Expressjet....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[AntiJedi]

Look what's happening in SEA right now you ask? You mean expansion? DL will add nonstops to Hong Kong, Seoul, and Heathrow shortly. The gate problem is being worked on by the airport authority, and the E170/CR9 connection flights are there to provide some feed opportunities that AK cannot provide due to their own planes being full. DL will do it themselves if AK can't. Sounds good to me. Additional mainline flights have been added too, like SEA to ANC.

I'm glad you see only good coming from it, but it's only because you work for the agressor. How do you think AS feels? THAT is my point.

ainline routes, at mainline rates! I do see a trend with those 717s, though. They are moving 76 seaters around as they replace them, and even moving Compass E175s out West, with an eventual LAX base for those crews. That means certain carriers with the Majority of flights out West could get replaced. In other words, no feed is permanent I guess....

Moving the E175s to LAX is strictly a competative move against UA and Virgin. It has nothing to do with SKW. You should already be aware that DL has mixed up the hub/regional feed years ago anyway. This is not a new phenomenon.

Did you say there are some bigger RJs out there, like the CSeries? Who will fly them? The scope clauses say mainline pilots. If SKW gets bigger RJs, the contract states they lose DL feed.. Only the "Frontier" grandfather clause remains, since Republic owned Frontier at the time. I don't see that changing. Again, higher profits means fewer concessions at the table.

Again, myopic thinking based on what you currently have on paper. Only time will tell what happens.

And, ancillary fees are huge, and apparently not going away. People seem used to them. The debt has been paid down so fast that DL management decided to go for even more, and decrease debt by an additional $3 billion. It's a revenue machine.... Can SKW take advantage of that trend? Not really, DL, UA, AA, and US collect the fees while pax ride on you guys. Billions in extra revenue, all going to your legacy partners.

Yet earlier, you stated that upguaging 50 seaters to 70 seaters was the only reason that DL made $1.5 billion in that quarter, which is patently not true, and you knew it.

 

[General Lee]

I'm glad you see only good coming from it, but it's only because you work for the agressor. How do you think AS feels? THAT is my point.




Moving the E175s to LAX is strictly a competative move against UA and Virgin. It has nothing to do with SKW. You should already be aware that DL has mixed up the hub/regional feed years ago anyway. This is not a new phenomenon.



Again, myopic thinking based on what you currently have on paper. Only time will tell what happens.



Yet earlier, you stated that upguaging 50 seaters to 70 seaters was the only reason that DL made $1.5 billion in that quarter, which is patently not true, and you knew it.

Well, I guess AK was also playing buddies with AA and EK, and some current "friend" may not have liked that. That's big business for you....

Switching planes around for the Regionals isn't new as of a couple years ago, but putting a Compass crew base in LA sure does. That makes a statement. And, it also shows 717s are starting move RJs around.

I don't think I stated up gauging 50s to 70/76s created the profit, ancillary fees on all fleets did. You need to look at the big picture, and that is mainline is growing, which is a good thing for DL pilots and Regional pilots wanting to get an interview.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Riiiiight? Thanks for the great answer Gilligan!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Your welcome...now go back to punching donuts....

 

[XPOO]

Hahahahahaha that's rich !
As sky pest guts our contract.

Sure, I said "decent" and not amazing, "above average" and not the world's greatest. SAPA has turned down two proposals so far. And by SkyWest, I meant SkyWest Airlines. If I want to say Inc., I'll say SkyWest, Inc.

 

[XPOO]

Remember, he claims to be a dispatcher for SKW. He might not know what is exactly going on at Expressjet

No, see, you just assume I'm talking about ExpressJet. Aaaaaand, I'm not. Couldn't care less about what's going on with that side of the house.

 

[Freebrd]

Remember, he claims to be a dispatcher for SKW. He might not know what is exactly going on at Expressjet....
Bye Bye---General Lee

Might be a mgt puke too Jenny. uke:

NO!

 

[Nevets]

Sure, I said "decent" and not amazing, "above average" and not the world's greatest. SAPA has turned down two proposals so far. And by SkyWest, I meant SkyWest Airlines. If I want to say Inc., I'll say SkyWest, Inc.

What are their work rules?

 

[Freebrd]

Couldn't care less about what's going on with that side of the house.

Wrong! You jump at the first chance to slam XJT on here. Why not just go post in the dispatcher threads. Now back to eBay for you.

NO!

 

[Russ]

GL
You talk about scope as if its some sacred cow never to be touched. That's far from the truth. Times are good now for DAL, and I wish you all well but this is a cyclic industry from a profit perspective.

 

[J bar]

I have been away from this message board for some time and thought I would see what been going on.
Yup, "general Lee" still hangs out on the Regional Board, and yup he still has a pitiful life and yup he's still a Dshhh Bggg.
Ding Ding Ding ..."GL is the biggest loser"
Glad to see that things don't change.

 

[General Lee]

I have been away from this message board for some time and thought I would see what been going on.
Yup, "general Lee" still hangs out on the Regional Board, and yup he still has a pitiful life and yup he's still a Dshhh Bggg.
Ding Ding Ding ..."GL is the biggest loser"
Glad to see that things don't change.

So, where does it state that you can't be interested in the WHOLE industry? Where again? So, I can't give opinions anywhere other than the Majors section? Look, we all can see that you obviously can't debate, or even give an opinion. Maybe you should go away again, you don't contribute anything.... Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

GL
You talk about scope as if its some sacred cow never to be touched. That's far from the truth. Times are good now for DAL, and I wish you all well but this is a cyclic industry from a profit perspective.

Scope hasn't been touched since BK. Consolidation will help keep the top 3 from going back there. The last few cycles had too many carriers. That really isn't a problem now. The big 3 will strengthen hubs and fortify themselves. That means fewer concessions at the bargaining table. Times have changed Russ. Bag fees have also helped, and they weren't used in the past. Nothing is certain, but....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So, where does it state that you can't be interested in the WHOLE industry? Where again? So, I can't give opinions anywhere other than the Majors section? Look, we all can see that you obviously can't debate, or even give an opinion. Maybe you should go away again, you don't contribute anything.... Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Did your mom make your favorite,..... brisket instead of turkey?
Your debate skills are weak, and lacking substance, but what can you expect from a fat, zit encrusted booger eating basement dweller. Go outside get some sun, you might feel better, don't worry, your computer will still be there. Your obsession with the airline industry is pathetic, given the only time you have been in an airplane was in row 33, when your mom took you to Boca.

 

[Freebrd]

That means fewer concessions at the bargaining table. Times have changed Bye Bye---General Lee

Man you have that right Jenny. DAL Mgt will be coming at you with smaller raises, scheduling changes that favor mgt, and seeking scope release for bigger planes for the regionals. Wish it wasn't so as I need to get out of here but that's what you're looking at putz. Look for it!

NO!

 

[General Lee]

Did your mom make your favorite,..... brisket instead of turkey?
Your debate skills are weak, and lacking substance, but what can you expect from a fat, zit encrusted booger eating basement dweller. Go outside get some sun, you might feel better, don't worry, your computer will still be there. Your obsession with the airline industry is pathetic, given the only time you have been in an airplane was in row 33, when your mom took you to Boca.

Ahahaha! The great part is I'M RIGHT...... You still can't put up anything to debate, and you're stuck where you are, probably for good. Oh well, you and Frebrd can always dump lavs.....

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Man you have that right Jenny. DAL Mgt will be coming at you with smaller raises, scheduling changes that favor mgt, and seeking scope release for bigger planes for the regionals. Wish it wasn't so as I need to get out of here but that's what you're looking at putz. Look for it!

NO!

Uhhhh, you are confusing the DL pilot situation for yours. To attract the number of pilots needed over the next decade, all 3 legacies will be fighting over a certain number of eligible pilots (you and PBR not included). Wages and benefits will go UP, not down. Throw in RECORD profits, and the next few contracts will be great. You guys, OTOH, will probably vote in your TA, and if you don't you will shrink probably. What will your option be? Great Lakes or Fed Ex Caravan, or you can freelance lav dump all over ND.

Btw, all future FAR changes do not affect the DL pilots because the contract has limits already built in. For example, the new FARs may allow pilots to fly up to 9 hours in one day, but the contract already states 8 max for 2 pilots. It's all in the contract, and won't change if it is a bad deal. How about you guys...???

And larger planes at the regionals? Uhhhh, nooooo... SKW couldn't even fly anything bigger than 76 seats for anyone or risk losing all DL feed. The contract states only Republic could have larger planes due to owning Frontier prior to the new contract. They sold them, so that's over.... Sorry.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Ahahaha! The great part is I'M RIGHT......
Bye Bye---General Lee

If being an overweight, zit encrusted, Special Ed rider of the short bus makes you right, so be it. You are the General joke of F/I, almost anyone who can read your drivel can deduce you aren't even a pilot, you do manipulate your joystick well though.