What is junior manning?

[Visceral]

Sked: "First Officer _____, we are calling you for a junior assigned trip."

Pilot: "Wow, it's a good thing you caught me 'cause I was just about to pop open a beer...bad news is, it's my second."




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Off topic, but tell me the schedulers don't call you guys "First Officer ____"

Do they?

 

[328dude]

One: Don't answer the phone.

Two: Get a diffrent ring tone on your home phone for unknown caller ID's if your company's don't show up,

Example of a Junior Man conversation I had years back:

Scheduling: Hi @@@@, your junior manned today for a PIT-CAK roundtrip.

Me: OK, but I'm at home

Sched: So, we will deadhead you.

Me: Does it show you were I live? I live in Tulsa, OK. Your aware that US Airways dosen't even fly over Oklahoma?

Schd: No, I wasent...Where's the closest airport to you that Airways serves?

Me: Dallas!

Sched: Ok, I can get you a cab then.

Me: What? Your going to stick me in a cab for 4 hours?

Sched: Yes, you are the only one available for this trip. (Um, Yea)

Me: Your crazy lady. Your not sticking me in a cab for 4 hours, deadhead to PIT and then be unable to get home untill the next day.

Sched: Are you refusing to fly?

Me: Actually, I can smell the crack pipe your smoking through this phone. So yea, I'm refusing to fly.

Sched: "click"


Actually got written up for this by the scheduler for accusing her of being on drugs. CP thought it was funny.

 

[atrdriver]

If you don't want to get junior manned and you do, you are a DUMBASS! I laugh my ass off at all the people bitching about getting junior manned! If you didn't want it and got it, you deserve it!

That works when you are at home, but when they contact you at work you are totally screwed. No one I know answers the phone at home, but you can't stop them from getting you on the in range call or a note on your release.

 

[flyer172r]

For the really junior guys, how often does this happen? Once, twice, a month? Every time you have a day off?

 

[sleepy]

It is a nice way to make some extra cash around the holidays. You should thank the company for giving you the opportunity to do this. It also gets you out of the house on holidays, when your annoying family members are visiting.

 

[ArcticFlier]

When the phone rings early in the morning and you answer it like a dumba**, use this:

You: Hello?
CS: Captain (you) we are junior manning you for a trip.
You: Honey......(handing your wife the phone) it's for your husband.


Works every time!


AF

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Wasn't Junior Manning a shortstop for the Mets?

Never mind, just saw that two other people already tried to make an NFL joke.

 

[Eagle-ista]

Junior manning is why...

1) you keep a can of soda by the phone so you can have the popping sound of a beer can, then tell them you're not good for 12 hours...

2) you give them a cell number and say, well, sure I can make it, but I'm on Yap, in the middle of the south pacific, but if you positive space me home, to get a uniform, I can be there by, say, Thursday...

3) you use your voicemail!

4) you negotiate for a hotel room, positive space travel and take the premium pay, if you want to do the trip

5) if you're at Eagle, you get on the computer to see what it is they're trying to stick you with, then decide if you want to answer the phone.

 

[Afixedwing]

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. I've never been jr. manned, and if they ever try to- I guarantee I'll be drunk.

I'm drunk right now, and glad that my company doesn't have junior manning.

Did Xjet get rid of junior manning with their latest contract?

 

[AV1ATRX]

They do at my airline, and I laugh every time. Then they laugh back at me.

Off topic, but tell me the schedulers don't call you guys "First Officer ____"

Do they?

 

[Rook]

Our company implemented a policy where if you refuse a junior assignment it's an automatic MT (like everyone else I'm sure)with a review to possibly be changed on a case by case basis. Worst example was when I was in a holding area waiting out a LVL 5 and on hold with dispatch trying to work out a re-route. My call waiting beeped and I answered and it was sked informing that I was jm'd for day 6 the next day. First time I cursed and was caught on tape. CP had a good laugh after I explained the situation but my F/O had to be a 'character witness'. Thanks George. By the way it was more like senior-manning cuz I was called wayyyyy out of seniority order.

Rook

 

[NuGuy]

Yep,


Junior manning can stink. You can sit a home for days off and bored out of your mind, but the first time you actually have something planned, you can bet they'll tag you.

First thing is to remeber is to invest in a neato service called signal ring. They give you an extra phone number (goes to the same line), but when someone calls it, it makes the phone ring a bit differently. Works great, and they while they might have caller ID blocked, scheduling CAN'T dodge the signal ring because it's a real phone number.

On the cell, don't answer if you don't know the number...BUT if you are at work, they gotcha anyway.

At PDT back in the day, they had a computerized sign-in/out thing you had to use. You couldn't just bolt for the door at block-in. Other tricks they would use is refusing to release the airplane on the last leg until you called.

Nu

 

[88_MALIBU]

Got a good laugh out of those examples...

 

[PHXFLYR]

Me,too! Although I think it's pretty sad that some will go so far to say "I'm drunk" to scheduling just to dodge the assignment. We already have a pretty "sheety"reputation in that regard with the traveling public . No need to perpetrate that myth amongst our co-workers ,too. You don't want to fly on your days off,there are better ways to do it than that. We had one scheduler when I was at PDT long ago , accuse the Captain of having a "drinking problem" (her exact words) and bought her concerns to the Chief Pilot. You can imagine the ruckus that caused! I really hope that those that have posted on this web board that they tell scheduling that they are drunk,or "I just had a beer" when they are trying to contact you at 9:30 in the morning really did'nt are just blowing off steam and trying to be "cute". And for those of you who do pull that stunt,or are thinking of doing so in the future,know that in today's hostile pilot work enviroment you are walking a very thin line.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

.....On a lighter note... this occured to me while I was a Dash 8 Capt with PDT
in the "good ol' days" when Jr Manning were literally out of control,as it always seemed to be back then. It's my day off ,the phone rings, my wife picks it up with me standing by her side:

PDT Scheduling: " Hello this is XXXXX from PDT Scheduling. Is Capt XXXX there?

My Wife: (with a slight hint of exasperation in her voice) "No he isn't...but do me a favor. If you find the Son of a Beach before I do,tell him to call home because ,boy is HE in trouble!!! "

....and with that my wife said the line went COMPLETLY dead..no response no nothing..just a click as the scheduled slinked away and quietly hung up the phone. We both we're dam near in tears from laughing so hard!! Who said this job isn't fun?

PHXFLYR

 

[Filkster]

I just keep an open beer around!

"Work? I'm drunk as a skunk right now! It'll be days before I recover!"

A trip?? Ok but you'll have to send me a cab, I'm too drunk to drive!

RF

 

[Vik]

You could say, "I'm not legal to fly due to recent alcohol consumption." They can't tell what to do while you're off. Also, just because an emplyoee accuses you of being an alcoholic doesn't make it true. Also, without evidence, anyone telling the CP you're a drunk/alcoholic is about to have a wet dream involving lawyers and a judge. I'd sue the pants off someone that doesn't even know me telling the CP I've got a drinking problem b/c I said I've just been drinking or am drunk.

Me,too! Although I think it's pretty sad that some will go so far to say "I'm drunk" to scheduling just to dodge the assignment. We already have a pretty "sheety"reputation in that regard with the traveling public . No need to perpetrate that myth amongst our co-workers ,too. You don't want to fly on your days off,there are better ways to do it than that. We had one scheduler when I was at PDT long ago , accuse the Captain of having a "drinking problem" (her exact words) and bought her concerns to the Chief Pilot. You can imagine the ruckus that caused! I really hope that those that have posted on this web board that they tell scheduling that they are drunk,or "I just had a beer" when they are trying to contact you at 9:30 in the morning really did'nt are just blowing off steam and trying to be "cute". And for those of you who do pull that stunt,or are thinking of doing so in the future,know that in today's hostile pilot work enviroment you are walking a very thin line.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

OK by me if you want to risk your career flying the mighty PA44 by shooting off your yap , but if this landed up in court, and with anti-pilot sentiment out there
being what it is, I don't know if it's worth taking that risk,especially if you weren't drinking in the first place. I mean,all just to avoid a JA assignment?

PHXFLYR

 

[172driver]

Here's the problem with the 'just had a beer' scenario:

Sked: 'OK, we're junior manning for tomorrow too. Go ahead and stop drinking now, and I'll show your report time as now + 12 hrs.'

 

[Dash8301]

We have a jr manning cap at PDT. Once you have had 3 on a day off and 1 extention of more than 4 hrs you can't be jr manned by our contract. One year after I was capped Sked called at 430am, I had this converation with sked

Sked: We need to jr mann you for a 530 report.
Me: You can't possibly afford me this early in the morning. Click

Also had a new sked ask me if I would like a JR Mann. I anwered "No Thanks, Click"