What is going on at Avantair?

[Flybet3]

Well said! Collective power is the key, whether it's a Union or an Advisory Council. Absolutely, you have to stand up for yourself and demand what's fair. I notice that P180 said that, too. I concur completely! Best wishes to those standing up and speaking out--regardless of the brand of your soap box.

ya'll should just get together and hang out. Unless it's just the same person agreeing to him/her self.

 

[P180puke]

Ok first of you know nothing about my experience level. Secondly stop calling your self a veteran, you're just pissed b/c they've bypassed you for upgrade soooo many times and no one likes to fly with you b/c you're an opinionated, can't fly bi*ch! So stop trying to act like you're a captain on the line. Secondly dip s*it, what have you done to better things around here? nothing! All you do is post crap on flight info, and you hide behind the goddam computer. Have you really told anyone upstrairs how you really feel? And no I'm not gonna upgrade b/c I said so, but b/c I we're growing, they are going to need qualified captains, and yes i know how to be a captain. Hey I already got my 3 letters of rec, 4 actually. you dont know me you bimbo. And no I haven't been standing quitely, I've told the CP and DO as to what I really want to see improvements on. I've done what everyone has done. But of course, you want us all to go in the CP, the Do and SS office and just barge in with torches and swords... How stupid are you? You're a veteran? the company is only 3 years old you stupid woman! There's still more to come, but hey. If you really want s**t to happen, then get off your fat a$$ and go tell TC, KM and SS how you really feel and that since you're a veteran you demand these things! What a fu**ing moron you are.
Anyone else what to comment on this dumb b**ches post.
God what retart, you are with out a doubt the most DEE DEE DEE person

Ooh, you must be like Bob Hoover!

What an intelligent and mature soul you are. Gee, I had you all wrong this whole time. Please, please will you ever accept my apologies? I guess you really showed me.

Truth hurts don't it? Apparently it infuriates too.

 

[fivefootnuthin]

Can we stop with the childish name calling please?? Take it inside will ya?

 

[citationsarejun]

NJW nobody can argue the fact that a pilot who starts day one at avantair will earn more in year 2,3 and probably 4 than if he worked at netjets. The fact is their pay is comparable. In terms of benefits it does take time to get them in place. They have only been in business 4 years i believe. Hopefully they are working on that issue. It sounds like they are pretty responsive whether it is due to pilots screaming and yelling or not. If you really read P180 posts it is clear that there has been major improvements in a short period of time. He/She wants credit for the change which is fine. I realize they don't have a union and you are against that but they appear to be a good company to work for. As i have said before i Know pilots there and they like it alot.

 

[Noodles]

How well people like it tends to depend on two things: Which seat you are in, and what you've done in the past.

I've worked a couple places that are worse, but I've worked several places that were a lot better. Some things have improved since I've been here, but a lot more have gotten worse or not changed at all.

 

[mainiac]

Can we stop with the childish name calling please?? Take it inside will ya?

Boy, I second the motion!
I really wish that every Avantair thread didn't always degenerate to this. It really makes us look like the Kindergarden playground of the Frac industry.

Play nice, no hitting, take naps... (Always worked with my kids anyway!)

 

[citationsarejun]

I agree. I also am troubled by the commenting that is done with little to no info. I was shocked at the salary structure at Avantair. I was reading this thread and assumed my boys over there were making 30 to 40 grand. When my buddy told me he was making 72 grand I almost fell off my chair. As NJW says the purpose of the board is to get info out there. Lets make it accurate though. Now there is a lot of backtracking like at NJ we get more crew meals. Big deal. It looks like the per diem is higher at Avantair anyway. I know some folks come on here with an agenda maybe they feel they were wronged or have a union agenda but lets not slant the truth. That is not the purpose of this site. Just my two cents

 

[Flybet3]

Ooh, you must be like Bob Hoover!

What an intelligent and mature soul you are. Gee, I had you all wrong this whole time. Please, please will you ever accept my apologies? I guess you really showed me.

Truth hurts don't it? Apparently it infuriates too.

What truth?
you know what, more and more you prove to everyone of what an airhead you are. And more and more you show everyone that you are the FO girl that everyone hates to fly with, your responses are of a typical woman. they make no sense, and all they do is try to attack a man's ego. The only thing that frustrates me is as to why avantair keeps employees like you around. Useless as a pilot and useless as an employee. Go and take care of your "female issues" which is what you always do anyways. :smash:

 

[Flybet3]

I agree. I also am troubled by the commenting that is done with little to no info. I was shocked at the salary structure at Avantair. I was reading this thread and assumed my boys over there were making 30 to 40 grand. When my buddy told me he was making 72 grand I almost fell off my chair. As NJW says the purpose of the board is to get info out there. Lets make it accurate though. Now there is a lot of backtracking like at NJ we get more crew meals. Big deal. It looks like the per diem is higher at Avantair anyway. I know some folks come on here with an agenda maybe they feel they were wronged or have a union agenda but lets not slant the truth. That is not the purpose of this site. Just my two cents

I realize that there is a diffence in pay, and I would a heck of alot more pay! but NJ wife needs to realize that we are also flying a 12000 pound turboprop.
As far as I know, our captains are toping out here alot better than some king air 350 and citation captains. With alot more days off. My only beef here now, is the lack of family benefits and policies on sick days and leave of abcense.

 

[netjetwife]

NJW nobody can argue the fact that a pilot who starts day one at avantair will earn more in year 2,3 and probably 4 than if he worked at netjets. The fact is their pay is comparable. In terms of benefits it does take time to get them in place. They have only been in business 4 years i believe. Hopefully they are working on that issue. It sounds like they are pretty responsive whether it is due to pilots screaming and yelling or not. If you really read P180 posts it is clear that there has been major improvements in a short period of time. He/She wants credit for the change which is fine. I realize they don't have a union and you are against that but they appear to be a good company to work for. As i have said before i Know pilots there and they like it alot.

I don't know about the pay; I didn't see a fair comparison. A NJ pilot can make more on the Reserve and that wasn't listed. The list didn't factor in their holiday pay, OT, 401K, health care, etc. It's a lot more complicated than what was posted here. I also think pilots, especially those with families, are choosing the best long term career option, not just looking at the first few years. I think that is how it should be, and that the choices should be a lot closer than they currently are. All frac families deserve a professional compensation package and balanced schedule.

Please don't assign to me opinions that I don't have. I am not against Avantair pilots being non-union. I'm against the fact that they aren't given a professional compensation package, and I don't buy the excuse that it takes over 4 yrs to provide that. They certainly aren't claiming they can't pay the going rate for fuel for the planes, are they? Labor costs are a fact of being in business. The only reason they get away with under-compensating the pilots is because they are allowed to. There is evidence there that when the pilots stand up to the practice improvements happen. I have publicly and privately shown support for the PAC and I hope they are successful.

I have no doubt that pilots like it there. They obviously like to fly and the frac business offers variety that makes the job interesting and challenging. Likewise, the Avantair pilots that I know also enjoy it there and want to make it a job they can afford to keep. Again, they remind me a lot of where the NJ families, my own included, were last year. I wish them all the best!
NJW

 

[hyper]

Boy, I second the motion!
I really wish that every Avantair thread didn't always degenerate to this. It really makes us look like the Kindergarden playground of the Frac industry.

Play nice, no hitting, take naps... (Always worked with my kids anyway!)

I third.

Flybet3: "What truth?
you know what, more and more you prove to everyone of what an airhead you are. And more and more you show everyone that you are the FO girl that everyone hates to fly with, your responses are of a typical woman. they make no sense, and all they do is try to attack a man's ego. The only thing that frustrates me is as to why avantair keeps employees like you around. Useless as a pilot and useless as an employee. Go and take care of your "female issues" which is what you always do anyways. "

One of the most uncalled for and classless posts I've probably ever read on here. Just my .02 though.

 

[netjetwife]

Now there is a lot of backtracking like at NJ we get more crew meals. Big deal. It looks like the per diem is higher at Avantair anyway. I know some folks come on here with an agenda maybe they feel they were wronged or have a union agenda but lets not slant the truth. That is not the purpose of this site. Just my two cents

I agree wholeheartedly and plan to hold your feet to the fire...

Let's not slant the truth. You're taking a per diem question out of context, and ignoring the much more critical factors that I brought up---health care, 401K, OT, holiday pay, days worked, etc.

I can easily drop the union subject. Let's all just talk about professional compensation for frac pilots and how much progress the industry is making. Where do all of our families stand on health care. Who has coverage, who doesn't? What do the Advisory councils need to help them gain better insurance benefits for the pilots? Same for the 401K? What are your goals?

 

[Flybet3]

I third.

Flybet3: "What truth?
you know what, more and more you prove to everyone of what an airhead you are. And more and more you show everyone that you are the FO girl that everyone hates to fly with, your responses are of a typical woman. they make no sense, and all they do is try to attack a man's ego. The only thing that frustrates me is as to why avantair keeps employees like you around. Useless as a pilot and useless as an employee. Go and take care of your "female issues" which is what you always do anyways. "

One of the most uncalled for and classless posts I've probably ever read on here. Just my .02 though.

Why thank you. Peace out!

 

[netjetwife]

Hyper, I agree. I'm surprised the moderators haven't stepped in. They yanked a cowboy off the board because his mouth was bigger than his boots. I don't recall his posts being that crass. My condolences, Maniac. That said, I think most of us who post here regularly realize that a company and/or pilot group isn't judged by the posts of one or two classless characters.

 

[Smellycat]

Lol

I can easily drop the union subject. Let's all just talk about professional compensation for frac pilots.........

I would love to see that happen, but we all know better.

Your hubby got his professional compensation, so take it and go out shopping. Think of all the TIME you will save if you stop trying to recruit the other frax to your sacred union!

No, you don't want to stop talking about the union topic. That is the only reason you are here. If you truly cared about other pilots and their families, you would cease from posting on this board. This board which is for pilots should be more like the Pilot lounge (crewmembers only) than the wednesday night crochet meeting.

There is a spouses and a union forum here if you just cannot leave it to the Professionals.