What is going on at Avantair?

[netjetwife]

CS has always been a 7/7 schedule - NJ had nothing to do with that either! Get off your high horse!

Somehow I had a feeling the NJB would spin this to be all about her precious NJ. (no offense to the people who actually work at NJ...)

Actually what I said was---OK so the NJ pilots helped the CS pilots who in turn helped the Avantair pilots. It was meant as a general comment, and applied more to their raise. I still maintain that supporting one another in their efforts just makes sense. Aside from being the decent thing to do. Granted, some are better at that than others....

 

[Dilligaff]

The orginal question that you asked was if we were praising NJ pilots for our 7/7 schedule, and the answer is 'no'. That's not a shot against NJ at all. Actually, my comment about CS was tongue-in-cheek. The 7/7 schedule came about after the new DO conducted conference calls with the pilots and solicited input from all of us. It was actually our own doing and no one said "well, this is how NJ and CS do it". Beleive it or not, we are capable of handling our situation on our own.

 

[netjetwife]

"Do the Avantair pilots think the NJ pilots had anything to do with getting their company to move to the 7&7? "

That hardly amounted to suggesting any "praising" of NJ pilots was taking place. Whether or not any of the Avantair pilots specifically mentioned NJ and/or CS being on the 7&7 is irrelevant. The company was fully aware of the movement in the industry, and of the competition 's arrangements with their pilots. That basic info, no doubt, was taken into consideration. To deny that would seem rather uninformed, if not downright churlish.

I noticed you ignored the Spokesman question. Does that mean you concede that others may not share your opinion?

I have no doubt that the pilots of Avantair, or any other company, are fully capable of standing up for themselves and demanding the compensation and QOL they deserve by virtue of having earned it. If I didn't think it was possible, I wouldn't advocate that pilots take that action. Congratulations on the advent of the new schedule---however it was achieved.

 

[Dilligaff]

Again, get off your high horse! I concede nothing to you and your crusade. If you read my previous post, I said I welcome the opinon of my fellow pilots. As for the spokesman question, you ignored the same question when asked to you. We both know that we were not elected to anything as neither one of us are union members. I am speaking from my experience and personal contacts at my company and I have yet to meet anyone who admits to wanting a union. Should the atmosphere change to the point where we collectively decide that we need a union, I will gladly support it but we spoke loudly when we decided not to turn in our union cards. Funny how you don't acknowlegde our collective voice in that situation.

"Whether or not any of the Avantair pilots specifically mentioned NJ and/or CS being on the 7&7 is irrelevant."

This statement contradicts your original question. We don't need to look outside our company to know that working more than 7 days straight is too much. You are grasping at straws to get someone here to give credit where it's not due. Again, no offense to anyone who actually works at NJ.

Dilligaff

 

[Jolimon]

NJW, again, you know nothing of what you speak of. Your constant babble will cause me to throw out my card every time it shows up. I haven't posted here in ages because I have been flying, collecting my paycheck, taking two weeks paid vacation, and watching all the new owners coming onboard. There are some very positive things going on here, we don't need your input, empathy, or anything else.

 

[Flybet3]

You know, for someone that's only been here since June, you have awfully strong opinions. Did they sprinkle too much kool-aid in those burgers you were grilling in your room at PBI during training??

How did you know? goooood stuff

 

[C425Driver]

Amen, Jolimon!

 

[netjetwife]

J, That would be your own personal opinion, would it not? And, as has been pointed out, none of us has the right to speak for others. That seems fair enough, and it explains the discrepancy between your opinion and others that are expressed to me. Feel free to put me on your ignore list if my empathetic, supportive posts bother you. That is not my intention and I was under the impression that we can all share our input if done civilly.

BTW, I did answer the question, D. (where did that post go?) And, to further explain and help your confusion on the 7&7 question. I had asked if the pilot thought there was any connection. My next post addressed the possible influence of market forces. So both are connected and the comment you question is right on topic and confirms, rather than contradicts. Isn't the problem more aligned with the number of days off, rather than those spent on tour? Asking an opinion wasn't asking for credit? In fact I even stated that I was merely curious. Sorry to disappoint you there, D. There was no burning fervor, only curiosity about the interaction of the industry. I'll save you the angst next time and put the pilot's name on the post that I'm asking the question of. I mistakenly thought my post was clear enough.


D, you're quite confused this evening. I answered the question on the thread that you posted it. 2 down from your post asking the question. I've brought it to this thread, as well. Whatever you think of my ideals. You can never fairly accuse me of dodging the issue or being impolite.

The information about NJ that I post here is available on their board. I relay observations that many there share. Additionally, I post my own informed opinion that their situation has greatly improved with the leadership of a Strong Union. Consider it a frac-friendly attitude that I'd like to see the other frac families have the same type of contract and QOL.

My apologies to those who had already this portion of my post previously. As we all know, I'm a firm believer in standing up for one's self and in setting the record straight.

 

[brewerdog]

thank the gods - Net Jet Wife is here to help

what is a thread w/o her

pass the koolaid and cash the paycheck (for flying or not)

 

[netjetwife]

Actually I do quite a bit of that, as my PMs attest. Many of us here realize that the message board is only half the story....

 

[phil]

You all are just nasty folks, no matter who it is that voices an opinion different than yours, you drive them into the dirt. You obviously have an axe to grind, it is apparant to all that read your posts. None of the other Fracs act like this, what a classy oufit. Disgusting.

This I have to agree with Noodle d**K...Getting a check while you sit all day and scratch your balls is not such a bad thing. Well in my case my wife does me the favor OH YEAH!! A little more to the left...there ya go!

Classy, as usual..

 

[Snakum]

as has been pointed out, none of us has the right to speak for others.

That sure doesn't seem to deter you from trying at every opportunity, though does it?

Phil = NJW's support login?

 

[phil]

Hey, you can bash NJW all you want, just be a gentleman about it. I usually am against unions and hate the powers that be behind the union, but in avatiar's case I think that a union would be an improvement.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

NJW, again, you know nothing of what you speak of. Your constant babble will cause me to throw out my card every time it shows up. I haven't posted here in ages because I have been flying, collecting my paycheck, taking two weeks paid vacation, and watching all the new owners coming onboard. There are some very positive things going on here, we don't need your input, empathy, or anything else.

We all know you dont fly the line, so why don't you stay out of this, J.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

NJW, again, you know nothing of what you speak of. Your constant babble will cause me to throw out my card every time it shows up. I haven't posted here in ages because I have been flying, collecting my paycheck, taking two weeks paid vacation, and watching all the new owners coming onboard. There are some very positive things going on here, we don't need your input, empathy, or anything else.[/quote

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