What I sent the 3arbitrators...

[Continental]

Hopefully this letter will finally allow the arbitrators to understand the arrogance of the sCAL pilot group:


Gentlemen, you have now taken in the evidence and will begin your analysis and deliberations as a group. To this point the CAL pilot group has enjoyed an absolute WINDFALL of bids, money, and new domiciles AT THE EXPENSE OF THE UAL PILOT GROUP. I am sure you will be very careful in ultimately how your ISL solution will look in order to preserve ALPA on this property. However, please do not make the mistake of many a politician by simply satisfying a metric (utilitarian approach) that will ensure the survival of ALPA and not address what has been occurring the last three plus years (personally, I'd take it back to 2008) to the UAL pilot group. If you do NOT address INTEGRITY, FAIRNESS, WINDFALLS, AND LONGEVITY (to name just a few) you will no doubt leave a brutally tarnished legacy of poor arbitrator decisions to be studied for decades. This is not a legal case in which you can simply make a decision that falls "within the law and calculates consequences" without addressing the most basic tenents of ETHICAL DECISION MAKING.
You MUST include ethics, virtue, justice, and fairness in your journey to your ISL solution. The burden is on you now even though the UAL MC provided a solution for you. In my opinion, after the MASSIVE WINDFALLS ENJOYED BY OUR CAL counterparts up to this point, any attempt to "balance" proposals at this point in your process will indeed be interpreted as falling outside ethical decision making principles.
As a military officer, INTEGRITY FIRST guides our organization. It will be a travesty to condone behavior to the contrary. Good Luck gentlemen.

WOW we could have bypassed this whole thing if you would have sent this to them in the first place. stop the presses boys. I just got this letter and we need to just staple Cal to the bottom! Oh and let's include unicorns but just for the UAL boys. Cal doesnt deserve them. Well now that we solved this lets go get our 8am tee time.

 

[Skyflyin]

To this point the CAL pilot group has enjoyed an absolute WINDFALL of bids, money, and new domiciles AT THE EXPENSE OF THE UAL PILOT GROUP.

Ugh, windfall of bids really? Whose airplane orders have we been receiving the last three years? Although it is true CAL has opened new bases in traditional UAL domiciles, these airplanes would still have come and would still have been flown in CAL bases absent the merger. We were positioned for growth prior to the merger while UAL was position for stagnation or worse with not one single growth aircraft on order, only replacement aircraft ordered.

Windfall of money? Who had the higher monetary raises between CAL and UAL in the new JCBA? UAL by a long shot with the highest raises going to the Airbii pilots.

You are talking about CAL arrogance? Puhhhleasse.

 

[densoo]

You MUST include ethics, virtue, justice, and fairness in your journey to your ISL solution.

I must have missed that requirement in ALPA merger policy.

 

[waveflyer]

Hopefully this letter will finally allow the arbitrators to understand the arrogance of the sCAL pilot group:


As a military officer, INTEGRITY FIRST guides our organization. It will be a travesty to condone behavior to the contrary. Good Luck gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure the letter shows the arrogance of you-
And the how big a tool some of our military pilots can be-

This has to be flame

 

[eaglesview]

Ugh, windfall of bids really? Whose airplane orders have we been receiving the last three years? Although it is true CAL has opened new bases in traditional UAL domiciles, these airplanes would still have come and would still have been flown in CAL bases absent the merger. We were positioned for growth prior to the merger while UAL was position for stagnation or worse with not one single growth aircraft on order, only replacement aircraft ordered.

Windfall of money? Who had the higher monetary raises between CAL and UAL in the new JCBA? UAL by a long shot with the highest raises going to the Airbii pilots.

You are talking about CAL arrogance? Puhhhleasse.

Why are you CAL guys giving this dude the time of day. Notice no UAL guys chimed in. He is obviously has a screw loose somewhere. You know both sides have few of those.

Now as for that rediculous avatar,,,,,,,,,Go EAGLES

 

[AWACoff]

Oh my....

 

[bladeusa]

Where did you get the idea that the arbitrators give a s^&% what some random line pilot thinks? You have attorneys and committees for a reason. Let them speak for you so you don't embarrass yourself.

exactly..

how embarrassing.

 

[nimtz]

Why are you CAL guys giving this dude the time of day. Notice no UAL guys chimed in. He is obviously has a screw loose somewhere. You know both sides have few of those.

Now as for that rediculous avatar,,,,,,,,,Go EAGLES

This flamer stole this verbatim from a UAL guy on another board. The individual attached his name to this long winded drivel. If I hear anything like this in the future in the cockpit, I will be putting in my ear plugs. And full disclosure, I totally understand why UAL guys find the CAL proposal insulting. That doesn't entitle one to think they can lecture the ARB's on ethics and integrity.

 

[Jetjockey]

Lawyers and Judges love to get letters and lectures from pilots..............in an alternate universe.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

I think he should re-send the letter, but this time in a sterner, more threatening tone.

That would surely get even better results!

 

[eaglesview]

This flamer stole this verbatim from a UAL guy on another board. The individual attached his name to this long winded drivel. If I hear anything like this in the future in the cockpit, I will be putting in my ear plugs. And full disclosure, I totally understand why UAL guys find the CAL proposal insulting. That doesn't entitle one to think they can lecture the ARB's on ethics and integrity.

"They" haven't...this is one dude...relax.

 

[Flopgut]

Now as for that rediculous avatar,,,,,,,,,Go EAGLES

Did you hear the City of Fort Worth asked the NFL if they could have a football team? The NFL said "no." "If we let you have one, then Dallas would want one too."

I do like to watch the Eagles!

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Now that's just mean. A long suffering north central Texas cowboys victim. I mean fan.:'(

Did you hear the City of Fort Worth asked the NFL if they could have a football team? The NFL said "no." "If we let you have one, then Dallas would want one too."

I do like to watch the Eagles!

 

[flyguppy]

Ugh, windfall of bids really? Whose airplane orders have we been receiving the last three years? Although it is true CAL has opened new bases in traditional UAL domiciles, these airplanes would still have come and would still have been flown in CAL bases absent the merger. We were positioned for growth prior to the merger while UAL was position for stagnation or worse with not one single growth aircraft on order, only replacement aircraft ordered.

Windfall of money? Who had the higher monetary raises between CAL and UAL in the new JCBA? UAL by a long shot with the highest raises going to the Airbii pilots.

You are talking about CAL arrogance? Puhhhleasse.

Did those airplane deliveries result in an increase of the CAL fleet size?

I believe you'll find the answer to that in the official court record.

Growth? Pfffft.

Good repeat of that talking point though......well done.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[Flyer1015]

Where did you get the idea that the arbitrators give a s^&% what some random line pilot thinks? You have attorneys and committees for a reason. Let them speak for you so you don't embarrass yourself.

At my last airline, I followed the above advice. Turns out our own merger committee ended up embarrassing themselves. Under advice from their ALPA legal counsel, they stopped posting on forums both public and airlinks. You know, didn't want anything posted to be used against them in a DFR lawsuit.