We're Takin It Back!

[PCL_128]

Fly DC Jets has it right....UAL contributes upwards of 15mil and gets 5mil back a year.

Everyone see this? This is what so few pilots understand about ALPA's structure. The pilots of UAL, DAL, AAA, etc... subsidize the other dozens of carriers that ALPA represents. When pilots argue that ALPA only wants to represent Skywest or Colgan to make money, they ignore the fact that representing such carriers actually costs ALPA much more. That extra $10 million that UAL pilots send to ALPA and never get back goes directly to supporting the regional and national carriers that ALPA represents.

 

[Airline Driver]

Forget the different "titles" of carriers. Regional, national, LCC, legacy, it doesn't matter. The point is that ALPA wants to represent all carriers, regardless of size or dues income. ALPA is not about making money. ALPA is about representing pilots.

The only thing ALPA, Teamsters or anyother outside Union thinks about is Money. You sure do not get your money's with any of them. Just ask the East Coast Airways Pilot group how they feel about how ALPA represented them. I have always been a supporter of in house pilot unions.

 

[PCL_128]

The only thing ALPA, Teamsters or anyother outside Union thinks about is Money.

Sure, just ignore the facts.

I have always been a supporter of in house pilot unions.

As someone who is currently living with an in-house union, I can assure you that ALPA is far superior.

 

[BOHICAgain]

Sure, just ignore the facts.



As someone who is currently living with an in-house union, I can assure you that ALPA is far superior.

Can pilots still retire at 60 if they wanted to or do they have to wait till they are 65. If I remember 9e had some kind of way people could retire early if they had x amount of service.

 

[PCL_128]

Can pilots still retire at 60 if they wanted to or do they have to wait till they are 65. If I remember 9e had some kind of way people could retire early if they had x amount of service.

Well, you can always retire whenever you want, but different contracts have different provisions for early retirements. With most A-fund pensions decimated, it matters less than it used to, but this is still a factor for many pilots. You would have to look at your individual contract to see how it will affect you and your retirement. As for 9E, you are fully vested in your 401k after five years of service.

 

[av8er2]

There really is no future in the airlines. Same stuff that has been going on for years.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

The simple fact is this:

ALPA has NEVER been in control, and, given their history, never will. That said, they have nothing to "take back."

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA best represents the interests of the OLD highest paid, highest dues paying members and all potential new ones. All of us in between are screwed!

Seems like it's ALL about the money for ALPA

Be careful Coopervane, you are starting to sound like me...... I agree with you, but what are we going to do about it?

 

[JoeMerchant]

How can you take it back when you never had it in the first place?

They can take back 2% of your paycheck.......

 

[JoeMerchant]

You regional guys just don't get it. You cost ALPA far more than you'll ever pay in!!! You hear that giant sucking sound? That's the sound of the regional ALPA carriers sucking all of the dues income from the legacy carriers who actually pay for the ALPA services that you use. If ALPA was "all about the money" as you say, then ALPA would dump every regional airline and only focus on the legacies. There's no money to be made in representing regional pilot groups.

Maybe it's just time for the regionals to leave ALPA.... then everyone will be happy....

I love how you put it.... "You regional guys just don't get it".... No PCL, you and the rest of the ALPA cheerleaders just don't get it..... There shouldn't be "regional" and "major" pilots... there should just be pilots....

Keep lecturing us a little "regional" pilots PCL.... You aren't doing ALPA any favors.....

You of all people... first you paid Gulfstream to sit in the right seat, then you went to PCL which is one of the worst paid regionals, and now you are at AirTran which is having some serious contract issues..... 3 crappy pay companies, 2 of which aren't even ALPA, and you want to lecture us about how "WE don't get it"..... NO YOU nor ALPA GET IT.......

 

[JoeMerchant]

I love it:


YOU REGIONAL GUYS


You have been away from GIA how long?

Then he went to PCL, and now AirTran.... he's really raising that bar isn't he.....

 

[PCL_128]

Ahh, it's my old friend Joey. I was wondering where you were.

Maybe it's just time for the regionals to leave ALPA.... then everyone will be happy....

No, then no one will be happy. The regionals will continue to devolve into chaos, and the regional pilots will continue to complain that the mainline pilots are trying to screw them over. Guys like you will continue to file lawsuits, etc....

There shouldn't be "regional" and "major" pilots... there should just be pilots....

I agree. Now how do we get there, Joe. I think the upcoming flowthrough agreement at USAir is a good start, along with the Compass/NWA flowthrough, but you don't agree with those programs. What do you suggest? And please don't just launch into another diatribe about how ALPA has screwed you over. We've all heard it before. Let's hear some solutions for a change.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I'm the real PCL_128

 

[JoeMerchant]

PCL 128, being the good Herndon lap dog that he is, is saying that unions aren't about money.... However the facts don't back that up...

The AFL-CIO is supporting illegal alien amnesty and has filed a lawsuit against the "no match letter law".... you would think that the largest labor union would support laws that stop cheap labor from coming into the US, but they don't.... Why you ask? Because they are potential dues paying members.....

Here are two links...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021700-02.htm

http://www.nilc.org/immsemplymnt/SSA_Related_Info/ssa003.htm

 

[PCL_128]

PCL 128, being the good Herndon lap dog that he is, is saying that unions aren't about money.... However the facts don't back that up...

Actually, the facts do back that up. You simply refuse to acknowledge the facts. True or false, Joey: the ASA MEC's budget exceeds the amount of dues revenue that the ASA pilot group sends to the Association. As a former ST, you should know that the answer to that question is a resounding TRUE.

The AFL-CIO is supporting illegal alien amnesty and has filed a lawsuit against the "no match letter law".... you would think that the largest labor union would support laws that stop cheap labor from coming into the US, but they don't.... Why you ask? Because they are potential dues paying members.....

You should do a little bit more reading, Joey. The AFL-CIO is opposed to this law because 70% of the SSA "mismatch" cases are of legal United States citizens and are only caused by clerical errors. There are much better ways to enforce immigration law that don't put legal workers at risk.