Were is the General Sherman on here?

[madjack]

Why not the auto industry, or an appliance company like Whirlpool, or John Deere. There is seniority and pension involvement at those place too I bet.

Bc of the cappy thingy....OBTW since the 717s are going away, AAI is bringing a lot less airplanes and CP seats to the deal...

 

[canyonblue]

It always amazes me when grown men can use little high school pet slurs when trying to describe something they don't agree with or don't understand. Bong, Dildo? really guys, it makes you sound stupid and does nothing to make your case.

If you are directing that to me on my Bond/McDildo comment then fire away. I haven't a single positive thought about Claire McCaskill, and that's the last time I will say that name. I didn't know you were such a big fan of liberals, makes sense now that I have read your posts.

McDildo....uke:

 

[canyonblue]

Its because of human underwear crayons like you that Bond/Mcdildo was created. The beauty of the situation is as your senior SWA Capts, stay in their seats until stroking out, you will be swinging gear for a long time, enjoy it tool bag....

Not swinging gear now chump.

 

[waveflyer]

C'mon canyon, mccaskill isn't even the first last name in the amendment.
No disdain for Bond?

 

[SWA Bubba]

C'mon canyon, mccaskill isn't even the first last name in the amendment.
No disdain for Bond?

Actually I thought it WAS the "McCaskill-Bond" act, and not the other way around. But what the hell do I know?

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

It's not an act at all- but an amendment to an appropriations act in '08. Untested, btw.
But I'll concede bubba, it is most often referred to as M-B. but is interchangeable as amendments are not named.
Point being- vitriol for the Dem, amnesia for the Rep- standard pilot politics

 

[redflyer65]

Damn, Bubba is right about the name. I always heard B-M, but most responses on the internet show it the other way.

A knee jerk reaction to the AA/TWA purchase. Just throw it on an appropriations bill and all is good. I guess similiar to the Wright Amendment. Washington at its best. Carve outs for everyone!

Hopefully Claire has it coming in November. Show me hasn't worked out to well in Missou.

 

[DonVerita]

The AAI pilots voted for this by a margin of 85%. Thus throwing Bond-McCaskill out the window.

You could have sent this to binding arbitration but elected not to.

All your group had to do was vote no.

Ummm...yeah, whatever you say. You reverse the roles and have someone (SWA management) hold a gun to your head over non-integration and let's see how you fare. For the record, I did vote "No" to seniority corruption and captain seat theft (aka SIA #2). It amazes me how some of the OSW guys seem to think they were owed something out of this deal when all the AirTran pilots wanted was simply DOH and equal pay for equal work. If that was the case, then your fight should have been with GK to write you a check or something, or maybe reimburse for the type ratings you all bought. But instead, you take it out on your new fellow co-workers, thumb your noses down at them, steal their seniority and their CA seats thus bringing immense financial harm and loss of dignity. Such wonton moral and ethical disregard towards a fellow pilot will never be forgotton.

As for the quote you like to bring up about staple...one poster does not a majority opinion make. I know who that guy is and he is VERY junior. IOW, he had nothing to lose in terms of seniority.

You and a few others on here can keep going with that arrogance and see where it gets you in the long term. Someday you are going to need the solidarity of the OAT (Original AirTran) pilots. Keep talking smack and see where that gets you.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Ummm...yeah, whatever you say. You reverse the roles and have someone (SWA management) hold a gun to your head over non-integration and let's see how you fare. For the record, I did vote "No" to seniority corruption and captain seat theft (aka SIA #2). It amazes me how some of the OSW guys seem to think they were owed something out of this deal when all the AirTran pilots wanted was simply DOH and equal pay for equal work. If that was the case, then your fight should have been with GK to write you a check or something, or maybe reimburse for the type ratings you all bought. But instead, you take it out on your new fellow co-workers, thumb your noses down at them, steal their seniority and their CA seats thus bringing immense financial harm and loss of dignity. Such wonton moral and ethical disregard towards a fellow pilot will never be forgotton.

DOH was/is a slap in the face to OSW pilots. Also, a slap in the face to former AAI CAPTAINS that left AAI and started at the bottom of the SWA Seniority list before the acquisition was announced.

As for the quote you like to bring up about staple...one poster does not a majority opinion make. I know who that guy is and he is VERY junior. IOW, he had nothing to lose in terms of seniority.

A buddy of mine was at FFDO recurrent the day the acquisition was announced. He came across two AirTran pilots there who had no idea what was going on. When he told them about the acquisition one of them broke into tears he was so happy.

You and a few others on here can keep going with that arrogance and see where it gets you in the long term. Someday you are going to need the solidarity of the OAT (Original AirTran) pilots. Keep talking smack and see where that gets you.

We are going to need the solidarity of a pilot group with more than a handful of scabs?

 

[madjack]

DV,

Hopefully after you transition to the SW side, you will appreciate the fact that your airline was bought by SWA (vs a DAL), maybe you never will, but the few AAI former, now SWA pilots I have met seem to like it on this side better than on the other...

 

[waveflyer]

Shall I quote PCL then Don?, bc we all know what he said before as well.
Seriously, you actually believed you deserved date of hire and our contract rates? You're either really stupid and without perspective, or a total naive sucker.
Either way, it's long over and stop boring us

 

[canyonblue]

Shall I quote PCL then Don?, bc we all know what he said before as well.

It's my tag line for the ages now....

 

[Dan Roman]

It's my tag line for the ages now....

That's interesting that you obviously have a problem with his quote. He was spot on in predicting that SWA would not play fair in a merger. Certainly you can't fault someone for saying they have nothing against SWA it's just not for them. It's actually a very mature perspective, the opposite of the whole childish "my airline can beat up your airline" crap that is so prevalent on this board.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Roman

That's interesting that you obviously have a problem with his quote. He was spot on in predicting that SWA would not play fair in a merger. Certainly you can't fault someone for saying they have nothing against SWA it's just not for them. It's actually a very mature perspective, the opposite of the whole childish "my airline can beat up your airline" crap that is so prevalent on this board.

And on this we can all agree with the exception being that you still can't seem to admit that it was an acquisition. But, that comes as no surprise to me or any other RSW pilot.

You claimed you were bringing planes. You're not. You got RSW pilot seniority for seats you will never bring to the party. Looks to me like you got a great deal. You should count your blessings, be grateful and thankful and enjoy the security of having what any one of you guys would've killed for prior to the announcement.

Take that position as long as you want. Carry that self imposed chip on your shoulder with you when you finally come to the Southwest side of the list and you'll be pretty damn miserable here. Should make for some real fun four days.

 

[Dan Roman]

when you finally come to the Southwest side of the list and you'll be pretty damn miserable here. Should make for some real fun four days.

Must be that Warrior Spirit!

BTW, I'm not AirTran. I get to watch from the sidelines. I happen to find the merger soap operas that arise out of mergers as educational should the slim chance I am ever stuck in one.
Bottom line is, an airline can't acquire another airline in a hostile manner and expect to reap the benefits of that acquisition as if they didn't.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Oh

I get it.

Must be that Warrior Spirit!

BTW, I'm not AirTran. I get to watch from the sidelines. I happen to find the merger soap operas that arise out of mergers as educational should the slim chance I am ever stuck in one.

Sorry, I haven't been paying close enough attention. You're just another no skin in the game &hit &tirring tool like General Lee and OYS.

Bottom line is, an airline can't acquire another airline in a hostile manner and expect to reap the benefits of that acquisition as if they didn't.

Success at last! At least you're finally calling it an acquisition!. On that last point we will agree. A lot of goodwill has been burned by the brain trust in the head shed to purchase an airline we didn't need with planes we obviously didn't want and pilots we don't have room for. Minus 1800 or so you've got 6000 pilots pissed at the way it went down on the RSW side and minus 500 or so you've got 1800 that are pissed at the way it went down on the ASW pilot side. Do the math and let me know who has the majority?

 

[Dan Roman]

I get it.

Sorry, I haven't been paying close enough attention. You're just another no skin in the game &hit &tirring tool like General Lee and OYS.

?

It amazes me that on a board that is for people from the entire industry that anyone could get on here and think they should be able to post with some sort of exclusively about their airline and if someone comes in with an observation from a different point of view, that person has the audacity to somehow think it's none of their business. Hello? This is a board for everyone, not just SWA. It's a good thing to hear what others think coming from a different POV. You can eaither keep an open mind or bury your head in the sand.

 

[Dan Roman]

FWIW trying to make your point by high school name calling weakens your argument. It makes you look like you lack maturity and intelligence, that or perhaps a little too much warrior spirit!

 

[redflyer65]

Never enough 'Warrior Spirit' Dan.

It's alive an well at Love Field Drive.

 

[DonVerita]

Shall I quote PCL then Don?, bc we all know what he said before as well.
Seriously, you actually believed you deserved date of hire and our contract rates? You're either really stupid and without perspective, or a total naive sucker.
Either way, it's long over and stop boring us

If you bothered to check, I didn't bring it up. Someone else reopened the can.

One thing I will give you though Wave, despite your sophomoric name calling, is that one would be hard pressed to find any OAT pilot who wasn't happy to see our anti-labor BMT kicked to the curb.
BMT = Best Management Team. It's actually what they called themselves, no kidding.

Like I said earlier...one day you will find that your arrogance was an unfortunate mistake.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Exclusively?

It amazes me that on a board that is for people from the entire industry that anyone could get on here and think they should be able to post with some sort of exclusively about their airline and if someone comes in with an observation from a different point of view, that person has the audacity to somehow think it's none of their business. Hello? This is a board for everyone, not just SWA. It's a good thing to hear what others think coming from a different POV. You can eaither keep an open mind or bury your head in the sand.

I think the word you want is "exclusivity" but I'm sure you consider it shows more "maturity and intelligence" dicking it up while you're failing to make some point.

I have no qualms about you posting whatever your little heart desires. I just think it's funny that you're SO INFATUATED with everything SWA. Actually, the more I think about it. I guess I'm flattered.

I've always considered that we were all (airline pilots) in the same boat together. And, that we were all trying to achieve the same goal. I never considered my brethren at OAL's my rivals and there definitely was not a competitive factor since we don't have teams and play each other on Friday night.

That doesn't mean that there aren't the usual tools that have to stick their nose in other peoples business and try to chime in on anything and everything even when it doesn't have squat to do with them. Instead it just highlights how small, petty and narrow their pathetic little lives really are.

So please. continue. I love sparring with mental midgets like you who use big words improperly while they attempt to besmirch me for calling them out for what they really are.

 

[Dan Roman]

I've always considered that we were all (airline pilots) in the same boat together. And, that we were all trying to achieve the same goal. I never considered my brethren at OAL's my rivals and there definitely was not a competitive factor since we don't have teams and play each other on others teams.[/QUOTE



On that we can agree! Elsewhere you did make a point about the DAL pilots you have met are nothing like the DAL pilots on here. I can say the same about the SWA pilots. We used to layover at the Monarch in PDX, met a lot of very nice SWA crews. So it's really just Flt Info banter for lack of a better term. On here the SWA Folks have pretty much flooded the site with why everything SWA is superior and ALPA sucks etc. without a very good perspective on the rest of the industry or it's history. That said, I work for Hawaiian, that's why I have such an active interest in the airlines merging strings (although I am fairly confident we will survive alone, you never know in this business) You don't see me bashing Lubbock and I recently made the observation that there are plenty of legacy airline pilots that bought Flt Engineer ratings to get an interview, you might want to throw that one out on your other string! My take is we both have very good jobs and so do the DAL pilots, I don't need to put down one or the other to defend mine.

Btw, SWA's "warrior spirit" mantra comes across as completely going against the grain of us all being airline pilots in the same boat and not competitors's, that why I single that out so much.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Roman

"Warrior Spirit" is management buzzword lip service at its finest. Maybe those using it here are just doing so to fire up the debate. I dunno. I don't think you'll see me pointing to it as us being better than anyone else.

I'll admit that I jumped into this late in the game. What I've seen is guys coming on threads that have nothing to do with them, bashing SWA for no other reason than to bash SWA.

Our product and more specifically, the product that the entire industry has put out over the last few years has suffered greatly.

Clueless middle managers, TSA, disgruntled employees, race to the bottom contracts, PBS, and outsourcing of jobs are just a few contributing factors that come to mind.

It would serve us all better to row in the same direction than to tear each other apart at every opportunity.

 

[Dan Roman]

Fair enough.

 

[doh]

It amazes me that on a board that is for people from the entire industry that anyone could get on here and think they should be able to post with some sort of exclusively about their airline and if someone comes in with an observation from a different point of view, that person has the audacity to somehow think it's none of their business. Hello? This is a board for everyone, not just SWA. It's a good thing to hear what others think coming from a different POV. You can eaither keep an open mind or bury your head in the sand.

Dan, his head isn't buried in the sand...it's stuck in a completely different place.

 

[Roomwithaview]

doh

Dan, his head isn't buried in the sand...it's stuck in a completely different place.

Stimulating!

That doesn't mean that there aren't the usual tools that have to stick their nose in other peoples business and try to chime in on anything and everything even when it doesn't have squat to do with them. Instead it just highlights how small, petty and narrow their pathetic little lives really are

I think you fit the profile perfectly.