WARN letter

[pdub20s]

I got a WARN letter in my Co. Email today saying that law requires the company "to provide affected employees written notification that there may be adverse employment action due to Delta’s planned termination of our agreement"

I surely hope this does not mean what I think it does

 

[mtsupilot376]

ouch... at least they gave you notification.

 

[BIGGOAT]

Worker Adjustment Reduction Notice! I got one of those after 9-11 from American Eagle. About a month later there was a furlough letter in my v-file. When I was let go I found a left seat job on a C90 for a year. ASA then offered me a job about the time the C90 was to be sold. In the long run, ASA has been better for than AE. If you are willing to move then there are a lot of other flying jobs in the US.

Goat

 

[Weasil]

I got a WARN letter in my Co. Email today saying that law requires the company "to provide affected employees written notification that there may be adverse employment action due to Delta’s planned termination of our agreement"

I surely hope this does not mean what I think it does

who do you fly for?

 

[flylike44]

who do you fly for?

he flies for freedom/mesa. word on the street is that they suck. i'm inclined to believe the street's word.

 

[Weasil]

he flies for freedom/mesa. word on the street is that they suck. i'm inclined to believe the street's word.

I thought Mesa was desperate for pilots - just because the freedom contract is going away doesn't mean their jobs are going away too. Are freedom/mesa separate lists?

 

[flylike44]

I thought Mesa was desperate for pilots - just because the freedom contract is going away doesn't mean their jobs are going away too. Are freedom/mesa separate lists?

all one list. they've got some problems at the moment. delta is trying to cancel their contract, one lawsuit judgment on the books for about 50 million with another one on the horizon, some hefty bonds coming due over the summer, and stock trading for wooden nickels. not a good time for them.

 

[quinnlake]

I thought Mesa was desperate for pilots - just because the freedom contract is going away doesn't mean their jobs are going away too. Are freedom/mesa separate lists?

If you reduce you're flying by 25%, you are no longer desperate for pilots.

 

[erj-145mech]

I got a WARN letter in my Co. Email today saying that law requires the company "to provide affected employees written notification that there may be adverse employment action due to Delta’s planned termination of our agreement"

I surely hope this does not mean what I think it does

Received it via e-mail? Don't worry about it. I got an email telling me that I won the Nigerian Lottery.

Start to worry if it arrives via registered mail!

 

[ohplease!]

I got a WARN letter in my Co. Email today saying that law requires the company "to provide affected employees written notification that there may be adverse employment action due to Delta’s planned termination of our agreement"

I surely hope this does not mean what I think it does

You and your scumbag airline are DONE! and not soon enough in my opinion. Hasta la vista.

 

[Soverytired]

WARN letters are required to be sent out when the company is reasonably certain they're going under. If they fail to provide notification under the WARN act, they will technically be required to provide up to 2 months salary when they tank.

It does NOT have to be via certified letter.

With the WARN notification, they won't have to.

I would take this as a very, very serious sign that Mesa will be facing significant difficulty in the near future. Furloughs almost definitely, and bankruptcy very, very possible.

If you haven't started looking for a job at another regional or elsewhere, I would start now. As in, call in sick today, get your resume set and mailed out to as many places as you can, NOW.

I wouldn't be to picky about where I went, either. Plenty of pilots on the street, and it's already a tough market.

For what it's worth, I'm really, really sorry to hear this. Best of luck.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Comair is hiring again if interested (better than no job at all but not by much).

 

[On Your Six]

You need a plan B. I would immediately get your resume together and start looking. You probably have already started the process. The fractionals continue to hire - I would look at Avantair and Flexjet at the moment - both Netjets and Citationshares have long lines. Take a look here:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/fractional.html

Good luck.

 

[viper548]

SkyWest is interviewing. I don't know how many classes or how often

 

[joe_pilot]

I got a WARN letter in my Co. Email today saying that law requires the company "to provide affected employees written notification that there may be adverse employment action due to Delta’s planned termination of our agreement"

I surely hope this does not mean what I think it does

I don't know your story. I don't know why you work where you do, but I do know things suck for you right now and I'm really sorry to hear it. Things will get better. You will find a job.

Good luck.

 

[Pilot124]

WARN letters are designed to let people know that the ship is sinking fast. Think of it as a tornado siren, fire alarm, Co2 alarm....In other words WARNing you to act immediediatly to get out of that burning house of Mesa...Save yourself!!!!!!

 

[pdub20s]

Ya, I hear you guys. What sucks is that not everyone who was in initial training with me got this email. A guy who is a few numbers senior than I did not get this email. But the guy one behind me did.

 

[samballs]

Comair is hiring again if interested (better than no job at all but not by much).

They would also be able to do some of the flying they got from us in BK, we got 6-7% back.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Ya, I hear you guys. What sucks is that not everyone who was in initial training with me got this email. A guy who is a few numbers senior than I did not get this email. But the guy one behind me did.

I got the letter back in 2005...just before we furloughed 120-ish pilots.

I lucked out and just got banished to GSO for a while.

 

[thepotato232]

I'm still waiting on my own WARN letter, but as someone with friends and family who have seen them, I've got more experience with them than I'd like. If you got a letter - especially if there were people above you who didn't get them - then your job is all but gone. The furlough list is already written, and you have the grave misfortune of being on it. You need to assume the worst, and act now. I'm very sorry, but of the people I've known personally who got a letter, not one had a job within a few months.

 

[zawillif]

Any word on how the shareholder's meeting went today?

 

[pdub20s]

i was told that the bottom 400 pilots got the letter. I was 395 out of 400. Im just 5 folks short of being safe. I just got to hope 5 people ahead of me quit soon.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Why are you so attached to Mesa? I'm assuming when you started, you only had a few hundred hours, or you wouldn't have went there in the first place. If I were you, I would have used them to get some flight time, then left as fast as possible. I don't think anyone will feel sorry for you if you get furloughed.

 

[khsgt]

i was told that the bottom 400 pilots got the letter. I was 395 out of 400. Im just 5 folks short of being safe. I just got to hope 5 people ahead of me quit soon.

How many are on the master seniority list right now?

 

[khsgt]

Why are you so attached to Mesa? I'm assuming when you started, you only had a few hundred hours, or you wouldn't have went there in the first place. If I were you, I would have used them to get some flight time, then left as fast as possible. I don't think anyone will feel sorry for you if you get furloughed.

I feel sorry for any other pilots misfortune, whether they are Mesa or not. These guys are set up with a job and now will have to go looking (for the betterment of society none the less) while being unemployeed. Remember, it is much easier to find a flying job when you have a flying job. This may be the best thing that will have ever happened to them, but it surely won't be fun.

To all the Mesa guys, get your shiznit out and be ready for the house to tumble down at any moment. It is much better to be watching this fiasco from afar. I wouldn't be turning down ANY other flying job right now if I were you.

Good luck to my former crewmembers...I fear you may need it.

 

[dooork]

Easy pdub, the warn letter legally has to be sent.It will hinge on the injunction hearing at the end of the month.

 

[8sm]

The industry is like an elephant walking a tight wire. All you have to do is look at the cost of oil and know there is a trickle down affect. The higher the senority the better, however if the companies no longer in business your as close to the unemployment line as the last guy in. Everyone should have an exit plan if you or your family is depending on income from aviation. There will always be aviation, the question is who has the staying power to ride out the industrys challenges. All the best to those employees affected by these canllenges. They are hardworking aviation employee looking at layoffs and furloughs. Not an easy thing to do especially when wages are not keeping up the inflation....but thats a whole different number of greedy Bast...rds running that show.
Peace and thank a solider when you see one......8sm

 

[Erlanger]

Here's what the "WARN" letter is all about.

http://www.doleta.gov/programs/factsht/warn.htm

 

[TAWS]

Take some advice from someone who has been furloughed before:

GET OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if you didn't get the letter, this is a ship that's sinking fast!!

PDub - don't wish against this happening, it'll be a blessing in disguise and you'll find something better. One day you'll look back and thank God that you bailed when you did.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

i was told that the bottom 400 pilots got the letter. I was 395 out of 400. Im just 5 folks short of being safe. I just got to hope 5 people ahead of me quit soon.

Pdub, it is time to bail. Immediately. You have been him-hawing for the past couple of months about Mesa's predicament. This should be writing on the wall in large neon letters.

You gained some good experience from Mesa, had some fun, met some great people and so on, but dude...how much more of a sign do you need that it's time to move on?

I'm honestly not trying to pick on you...just trying to get you to see the light as someone who has been there. Best of luck!

KAK