Wacko IBT Got PUNKE'D!! Sues FAPA Anyway...

[pb1900]

If you don't join the union, you will be without representation. Do you have a home and a family? If you think that RAH won't can you once you give up your representation then I feel for those that depend on you. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and roll with the punches, if not for your sake then your families.

 

[Captain Morgan]

If you don't join the union, you will be without representation. Do you have a home and a family? If you think that RAH won't can you once you give up your representation then I feel for those that depend on you. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and roll with the punches, if not for your sake then your families.

I think F9 pilot's have more integrity and honor than you are betting on. I believe most would rather fight and resist the IBT than to fold and join. I'm not saying all, but there are those who would rather take their lumps than become a part of the IBT, and I can't say I blame them. Additionally, these pilots are far more qualified to get jobs if need be at other companies that you'd wet your pants to get on with. From what I've heard, some already have left on their own.

 

[F9 Driver]

If you don't join the union, you will be without representation. Do you have a home and a family? If you think that RAH won't can you once you give up your representation then I feel for those that depend on you. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and roll with the punches, if not for your sake then your families.

Not so much. If you don't join, but pay dues in one form or another, the IBT still must represent you. You haven't given up representation, you just don't get to vote. That's fact.

 

[Avee8tr]

If you don't join the union, you will be without representation. Do you have a home and a family? If you think that RAH won't can you once you give up your representation then I feel for those that depend on you. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and roll with the punches, if not for your sake then your families.

Sure sounds like a scare tactic to me.

 

[FSIGRAD]

Not so much. If you don't join, but pay dues in one form or another, the IBT still must represent you. You haven't given up representation, you just don't get to vote. That's fact.

You are also not eligible for the Teamsters Mastercard. By only offering it to active Teamster members they are able to grant generous interest rates. Points can also be exchanged for valuable merchandise!

 

[Axel]

I think F9 pilot's have more integrity and honor than you are betting on. I believe most would rather fight and resist the IBT than to fold and join. I'm not saying all, but there are those who would rather take their lumps than become a part of the IBT, and I can't say I blame them. Additionally, these pilots are far more qualified to get jobs if need be at other companies that you'd wet your pants to get on with. From what I've heard, some already have left on their own.

Lots of pilots leaving the native RAH side as well. Not much interest in F9, though. For the most part, people don't give a rodent's posterior. Here's why: Metaphor

 

[BUDDHA145]

Axel dont forget to look down to your right and wave to the roach before you step on it!!.... Hope you having fun Sr.!!! xD

 

[trainer8]

Not so much. If you don't join, but pay dues in one form or another, the IBT still must represent you. You haven't given up representation, you just don't get to vote. That's fact.

There is a little more involved than just not getting to vote. Agency shop, for the union objector, still requires you to pay, as you have stated. If you don’t join the union, or resign from membership, and notify the union that you don’t want to pay full dues, fee's charged must be limited to the union's proven costs of collective bargaining activities on your behalf, including lawyer fees, court costs, secretarial/administrative costs (copies, affidavits, faxes, etc.)

T8

 

[Captain Morgan]

There is a little more involved than just not getting to vote. Agency shop, for the union objector, still requires you to pay, as you have stated. If you don’t join the union, or resign from membership, and notify the union that you don’t want to pay full dues, fee's charged must be limited to the union's proven costs of collective bargaining activities on your behalf, including lawyer fees, court costs, secretarial/administrative costs (copies, affidavits, faxes, etc.)

T8

As in Gene Sowell's secretary?

 

[Axel]

On the very day RAH made its (ill advised) purchase of Frontier, a hearing was being held in Houston by IBT regarding GS and co's activities with TLU 747. GS had been removed from his position as 747's president months before. GS and/or TM never had anything to do with Frontier or RAH's purchase thereof.

Secondarily, are you aware of how GS was able to do what he did for as long as he did and what happened that finally brought his activities to light?

Did/do you not know this, did you forget it, or did you choose to ignore it in the interest of inflammatory rhetoric?

First Officer Morgan, your attempt to connect GS/TM to current events is, by definition, non sequitur.

 

[Axel]

On the very day RAH made its (ill advised) purchase of Frontier, a hearing was being held in Houston by IBT regarding GS and co's activities with TLU 747. GS had been removed from his position as 747's president months before. GS and/or TM never had anything to do with Frontier or RAH's purchase thereof.

Secondarily, are you aware of how GS was able to do what he did for as long as he did and what happened that finally brought his activities to light?

Did/do you not know this, did you forget it, or did you choose to ignore it in the interest of inflammatory rhetoric?

First Officer Morgan, your attempt to connect GS/TM to current events is, by definition, non sequitur.

Edit:

Seeing as how this all went down over four years ago, memory is a little hazy as to exact timelines. Upon reflection, I believe it was the YX purchase that was announced the day of the hearing in Houston rather than the intent to purchase F9. The F9 purchase was announced a short time later.

Regardless, it does not change the fact that GS/TM were long gone by the time all the fun and games started with the SLI.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Edit:

Seeing as how this all went down over four years ago, memory is a little hazy as to exact timelines. Upon reflection, I believe it was the YX purchase that was announced the day of the hearing in Houston rather than the intent to purchase F9. The F9 purchase was announced a short time later.

Regardless, it does not change the fact that GS/TM were long gone by the time all the fun and games started with the SLI.

It has nothing to do with the SLI. Tell me smart ass, what ever happend to the money that he stole? Did the pilots ever get a refund or remedy?

 

[Bluestreak]

Motion to dismiss the IBT lawsuit-DENIED.Another FAPA/RAH fail.Or were you afraid to post that ?

 

[F9 Driver]

Motion to dismiss the IBT lawsuit-DENIED.Another FAPA/RAH fail.Or were you afraid to post that ?

Actually it was the motion for an expedited briefing schedule and expedited judgment of the request for dismissal that was denied. The merits of the case have yet to be heard, but why let facts get in the way of your argument at this late stage.

Do you realize that the ultimate result of the IBT winning their lawsuit would be native RAH pilots on the street along with the Frontier pilots,and NO SLI?
:uzi: Keep cheering schmucks.

 

[Bluestreak]

Actually it was the motion for an expedited briefing schedule and expedited judgment of the request for dismissal that was denied. The merits of the case have yet to be heard, but why let facts get in the way of your argument at this late stage.

Do you realize that the ultimate result of the IBT winning their lawsuit would be native RAH pilots on the street along with the Frontier pilots,and NO SLI?
:uzi: Keep cheering schmucks.

Spin it as you wish-Investco is toast.As for native RAH pilots on the street-not so much.I know that must be a huge concern of yours.We are hiring.If the F9 pilots end up on the street,SLI is irrelevant.You don't work for RAH anymore and F9 is not a drag on earnings-sounds like a win-win !

 

[Axel]

It has nothing to do with the SLI. Tell me smart ass, what ever happend to the money that he stole? Did the pilots ever get a refund or remedy?

Nothing to do with the SLI. lol

International paid back about 4X to the RAH group by funding the defense against the staple job proposed by FAPA.

Now: Do you know why GS was able to do what he did for as long as he did? Be specific. Use initials and titles.

Hint: DT

 

[SizzleChest]

Nothing to do with the SLI. lol

International paid back about 4X to the RAH group by funding the defense against the staple job proposed by FAPA.

Now: Do you know why GS was able to do what he did for as long as he did? Be specific. Use initials and titles.

Hint: DT

clarification: Current DT wasn't here then... it was a different old guy in that same position title with the same intials... Don not Doug

 

[SizzleChest]

Actually it was the motion for an expedited briefing schedule and expedited judgment of the request for dismissal that was denied. The merits of the case have yet to be heard, but why let facts get in the way of your argument at this late stage.

Do you realize that the ultimate result of the IBT winning their lawsuit would be native RAH pilots on the street along with the Frontier pilots,and NO SLI?
:uzi: Keep cheering schmucks.

with staffing like it is, a handful of native-RAH guys furloughed wouldn't be the worst thing. Sometimes there is collateral damage for the greater good. in this case, F9 pilots don't know the meaning of FINAL & BINDING. F9 is a cancer as it is. Everybody knows and sees this. IBT has to stop the infection..... The SLI will still be in effect though... the date is only 8 days away now.....

 

[Axel]

clarification: Current DT wasn't here then... it was a different old guy in that same position title with the same intials... Don not Doug

Correct. Thanks.

 

[F9 Driver]

with staffing like it is, a handful of native-RAH guys furloughed wouldn't be the worst thing. Sometimes there is collateral damage for the greater good. in this case, F9 pilots don't know the meaning of FINAL & BINDING. F9 is a cancer as it is. Everybody knows and sees this. IBT has to stop the infection..... The SLI will still be in effect though... the date is only 8 days away now.....

Wow. I don't have the words to express how effed up your world view is.

Please don't breed.