W. makes it official..the Wright Amendment is history.

[Coool Hand Luke]

Bush Signs Bill Repealing Wright Amendment In 8 Years

KXAS-TV WASHINGTON, D.C.

President George W. Bush signed a law Friday that eliminates in 2014 restrictions on long-haul flights from Dallas Love Field, Texas officials said. Travelers will see an immediate impact. Southwest Airlines has said it would begin selling one-stop tickets -- called through-ticketing -- within days of the bill signing.

Bush's signing of the bill, done without ceremony, caps two years of intense lobbying and negotiations involving American Airlines and Southwest Airlines Co, the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth, Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and Dallas Love Field.

"It has been a long process, but North Texas consumers will benefit from more competition and significantly reduced airfares," Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, who sponsored the bill, said in a news release.

The 1979 law known as the Wright Amendment forced flights leaving Love Field to land in Texas or the four contiguous states. Restrictions were later lifted on four more states.

The new law will repeal the Wright legislation after eight years and reduce the number of gates at Love Field from 32 to 20.

The action requires Federal Aviation Administration approval before through-ticketing starts. As a result, a fare war probably wouldn't start until next week at the earliest.

 

[SuperKooter]

Good.

That’s the problem with this country, restrictions on business. A business should not have any restrictions and should only have to follow basic common sense laws.

Any airline should be able to fly anywhere, at anytime and charge whatever it wants whenever it wants. I don’t know why that is not allowed. If an airline can operate safely under FAA regulations I don’t see what the problem is.

Chapter 11 is also nonsense and should not be allowed either. If you can't pay your bills well then you don't deserve to exist. If that were the case Delta, NW, UAL and especially US Air wouldn't be around with their subpar products. Airlines like SW who actually can make a buck even with all the laws designed to put them out of business would be able to flourish. Much like unions these laws protect the lazy and the groups cannot cut it when there is superior competition. This IS communism for crying out loud!

Sometimes the USA reminds me of a communist country the way we treat businesses and lazy workers and don't even get me started on those silly restrictions on foreign ownership.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Good.

That’s the problem with this country, restrictions on business. A business should not have any restrictions and should only have to follow basic common sense laws.

Any airline should be able to fly anywhere, at anytime and charge whatever it wants whenever it wants. I don’t know why that is not allowed. If an airline can operate safely under FAA regulations I don’t see what the problem is.

Chapter 11 is also nonsense and should not be allowed either. If you can't pay your bills well then you don't deserve to exist. If that were the case Delta, NW, UAL and especially US Air wouldn't be around with their subpar products. Airlines like SW who actually can make a buck even with all the laws designed to put them out of business would be able to flourish. Much like unions these laws protect the lazy and the groups cannot cut it when there is superior competition. This IS communism for crying out loud!

Sometimes the USA reminds me of a communist country the way we treat businesses and lazy workers and don't even get me started on those silly restrictions on foreign ownership.

You've got to be on drugs. The problem with this country is restrictions on business?? In case you forgot, we (humanity) invented corporations to benefit us. Not the other way around. Capitalism is fine, but by no means a perfect system. Regulation is essential in order to set minimum standards for safety, workers rights, environmental protections, etc. You're in the wrong business if you don't understand the important role unions have played in increasing your quality of life. Thinking that the poor corporations and the pirates that lead them need greater freedom is crazy. If anyone needs more protection it's the American worker.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Good.

That’s the problem with this country, restrictions on business. A business should not have any restrictions and should only have to follow basic common sense laws.

Any airline should be able to fly anywhere, at anytime and charge whatever it wants whenever it wants. I don’t know why that is not allowed. If an airline can operate safely under FAA regulations I don’t see what the problem is.

Chapter 11 is also nonsense and should not be allowed either. If you can't pay your bills well then you don't deserve to exist. If that were the case Delta, NW, UAL and especially US Air wouldn't be around with their subpar products. Airlines like SW who actually can make a buck even with all the laws designed to put them out of business would be able to flourish. Much like unions these laws protect the lazy and the groups cannot cut it when there is superior competition. This IS communism for crying out loud!

Sometimes the USA reminds me of a communist country the way we treat businesses and lazy workers and don't even get me started on those silly restrictions on foreign ownership.

I agree with some of what you say although there should be a limit on how many times more than an average worker executives can make. I mean, I know it's capitalism here but there is no way a CEO should make 400-500 times what the average worker at a company makes. NO WAY, NEVER, NO HOW.

 

[Pilotbob3]

c'mon...you can talk about all the "fair" things you want..but the powers that be don't care about you or anyone else except what behind the scenes deals they made to line their pockets.....

all of your blah blah blah talk is a waste of time.

 

[PositionandHold]

Nevermind. Sh*t. I can't believe what SuperSkooter just wrote, though.

 

[coonass one]

Coolhand Luke,

Man, I thought you put up a good thread. Looks like somebody had a stick and started stirrin dat antbed though. On a more positive note, you ready to catch some Reds, eh? Its gonna be a good weekend.

The coonass

 

[erj-145mech]

I agree with some of what you say although there should be a limit on how many times more than an average worker executives can make. I mean, I know it's capitalism here but there is no way a CEO should make 400-500 times what the average worker at a company makes. NO WAY, NEVER, NO HOW.

If you are not happy with your wages, get a real job. You're not limited if you una$$ the cockpit seat.

 

[capt. megadeth]

If you are not happy with your wages, get a real job. You're not limited if you una$$ the cockpit seat.

What are you talking about? Where did I say I was not happy with my wages?

So you mean to tell me you see nothing wrong with a CEO making 500 times more than the average worker at his/her company? You see nothing wrong with CEOs getting a few million for severance while regular employees take 50% pay cuts?

 

[erj-145mech]

Your wages are what you negotiated, not what you're worth. My company is my company, it is not a democracy or communist, its mine, and I can do what I want with its assets.

If I decide that the coffers can afford to pay me $XXX, why should I settle for $XX? If you are happy making $YY, why should I offer to pay you more than $Y? Its more for me and the bottom line. If business should go in the toilet, you're going to make $Y, where I may not take anything home.

Thats why I'm the boss, and you work for me.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Your wages are what you negotiated, not what you're worth. My company is my company, it is not a democracy or communist, its mine, and I can do what I want with its assets.

If I decide that the coffers can afford to pay me $XXX, why should I settle for $XX? If you are happy making $YY, why should I offer to pay you more than $Y? Its more for me and the bottom line. If business should go in the toilet, you're going to make $Y, where I may not take anything home.

Thats why I'm the boss, and you work for me.

Dude...I was not talking about the owner/founder of the company....I am talking about executives. You are making no sense.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Your wages are what you negotiated, not what you're worth. My company is my company, it is not a democracy or communist, its mine, and I can do what I want with its assets.

If I decide that the coffers can afford to pay me $XXX, why should I settle for $XX? If you are happy making $YY, why should I offer to pay you more than $Y? Its more for me and the bottom line. If business should go in the toilet, you're going to make $Y, where I may not take anything home.

Thats why I'm the boss, and you work for me.

What you are referring to is a private company. Not a PUBLIC corporation with a BOD and other stockholders.

Go back into the shelter, the Russians are still invading. We'll come get you when its safe.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Good.

That’s the problem with this country, restrictions on business. A business should not have any restrictions and should only have to follow basic common sense laws.

Any airline should be able to fly anywhere, at anytime and charge whatever it wants whenever it wants. I don’t know why that is not allowed. If an airline can operate safely under FAA regulations I don’t see what the problem is.

Chapter 11 is also nonsense and should not be allowed either. If you can't pay your bills well then you don't deserve to exist. If that were the case Delta, NW, UAL and especially US Air wouldn't be around with their subpar products. Airlines like SW who actually can make a buck even with all the laws designed to put them out of business would be able to flourish. Much like unions these laws protect the lazy and the groups cannot cut it when there is superior competition. This IS communism for crying out loud!

Sometimes the USA reminds me of a communist country the way we treat businesses and lazy workers and don't even get me started on those silly restrictions on foreign ownership.

Nice thought. Go work for Cathay or Emirates if you want the free market to reign. Most of us learned in College that a total free market doesn't really exist. The closest you will get is in Hong Kong.

 

[erj-145mech]

It doesn't matter who's the boss, the head cheese makes the rules, and every one else lives by them, or is not part of the organization. Its the same for the founder or the President. Do you think that the BOD of AA think that Don Carty is worth his salary, compared to a ramper at ORD? Of course they do, other wise he'd be history. But he calls the shots, and thats why he demands the bucks.

If you don't think that your boss is worth the bucks, call him out on it?

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Coolhand Luke,

Man, I thought you put up a good thread. Looks like somebody had a stick and started stirrin dat antbed though. On a more positive note, you ready to catch some Reds, eh? Its gonna be a good weekend.

The coonass

Yep...can you bring some of that Canyon Blue coolaide with ya brother? I might get thirsty while I am fighting those big ole' fish all day in the gulf!

 

[DonVerita]

If you are not happy with your wages, get a real job. You're not limited if you una$$ the cockpit seat.

Simma down there Sparky...

First off, this is a board for Major Airline pilots. Take your snot nose Cessna experience over to the Private pilot board.

Next, don't come in here lecturing us about going somewhere else. This profession isn't like being a doctor or lawyer where you can just pick up and go down the street to the next office; and probably get a raise from doing it. If a pilot leaves a major airline, he starts at the bottom of whatever airline he goes to. So it behooves him to stick with the one he's got and fight to make it better for himself and his fellow pilots.

You carte blanche business types have no clue as to how the airline industry operates on a people level.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

. Do you think that the BOD of AA think that Don Carty is worth his salary, compared to a ramper at ORD? Of course they do, other wise he'd be history. But he calls the shots, and thats why he demands the bucks.

Wrong!

The BOD does what it does because of politics. Thats how they got to be a director in the first place. Directors, BTW, do almost squat and are paid huge for it. The CEO gets his job due to politics. And, unless they screw up, they keep them by keeping these political ties going. Yes he has to have a top business mind and be tough. But he is not necessarily the best.

You come from the right family, go to the right schools and make the right friends. Then you bounce around job to job to see if you can handle executive tasks and make a name for yourself. Eventually you move up. It's called being a part of the upper class. You don't get those opportunities from answering internet job postings.

You need to learn about politics.

 

[PSL]

erj-145mech

I thought Don Carty has moved on ...

Maybe my information is faulty but I thought the CEO of American Airlines is Gerald Arpey (sp?).

Most of the pilots that I know speak very highly of Mr. Arpey. Having watched the Senate Hearings with Mr. Kelleher, Mr. Arpey, and the gentleman from the DFW Airport Authority; I was most impressed with AA's boss. Having been in this industry long enough to remember Mr. Crandall's management reign, I turned off the television hoping my AA pilot friends were working for a smart guy.

Time will tell, as I understand Mr. Arpey's salary increased by a significant % while his pilot group was still underwriting AA's amazing financial turn around. This has the makings of creating a very bitter pilot group as they enter Seciton 6.

As far as your comments justifying unrestricted CEO (Management) pay in spite of the pay levels received by the workers ... I can only attribute this position to ignorance, arrogance or a little of both.

I will be happy to debate the merits of equitable compensation, but you might want to review the last 30 years of airline labor v management history before we get started.

 

[erj-145mech]

Simma down there Sparky...

First off, this is a board for Major Airline pilots. Take your snot nose Cessna experience over to the Private pilot board.

Next, don't come in here lecturing us about going somewhere else. This profession isn't like being a doctor or lawyer where you can just pick up and go down the street to the next office; and probably get a raise from doing it. If a pilot leaves a major airline, he starts at the bottom of whatever airline he goes to. So it behooves him to stick with the one he's got and fight to make it better for himself and his fellow pilots.

You carte blanche business types have no clue as to how the airline industry operates on a people level.

Here is the title to this section of a public board:

Flight Operations
Information in regards to flight operations.

Where does it say "Pilots"? What precisely does having contol over the size of the aircraft have to do with making management decisions? I manage an annual budget of $564M annually for the maintenance of 205 aircraft. I started my career as a mechanic for a Cessna dealership and worked my way to my present position. I previously held a position as a supervisor for Continental Airlines, so I have an idea of what it takes. In the airline industry, people are an expendable commodity, they come and they go. When one person leaves, there are several ready to take his place, and at a lower salary too. Good for business.

So now you can go back to practicing your cabin announcements, and reminding the pax to keep their seatbelts fastened and enjoy the ride.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

...an annual budget of $564M annually for the maintenance of 205 aircraft.

$2.75M per year per aicraft on MX?

 

[capt. megadeth]

Well if erj145 mech is truly an A&P and an erj145 mech and he thinks this way, it is really sad.

 

[DonVerita]

Here is the title to this section of a public board:

Flight Operations
Information in regards to flight operations.

You left out the subfolder pal. Here's how it reads:

Flight Operations
Majors

You must be bitter from something that happened to you. What's wrong? Didn't get through the interview at MESA? You go back to worrying about whether the Carb Heat works and leave the airline operations stuff and the protection of our careers to the rest of us who are actually in the industry.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Here is the title to this section of a public board:

Flight Operations
Information in regards to flight operations.

Where does it say "Pilots"? What precisely does having contol over the size of the aircraft have to do with making management decisions? I manage an annual budget of $564M annually for the maintenance of 205 aircraft. I started my career as a mechanic for a Cessna dealership and worked my way to my present position. I previously held a position as a supervisor for Continental Airlines, so I have an idea of what it takes. In the airline industry, people are an expendable commodity, they come and they go. When one person leaves, there are several ready to take his place, and at a lower salary too. Good for business.

So now you can go back to practicing your cabin announcements, and reminding the pax to keep their seatbelts fastened and enjoy the ride.

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A/C Flown: Cessna 337/O-2A, AT-6G, Cessna 310, 206, 210,182, 172, 152/150, PA28, 28R, 32, 32R, 31, BT-13,B-17, B-25
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Let me guess, a CAF idiot too? Keep em' flying...except that the CAF always manages to kill one or two of themselves every year. Quite an impressive list of aircraft you have flown there (not). Which one of those do you make PA's on? Come back here and spew your crap when you earn your paycheck as a pilot. Anyone can fly when it's CAVU. But you wouln't understand cuz when the weather is real bad outside you just close your hangar doors.

Don't take it out on all of us just because you are a ground pounder and a wanna be pro pilot.