Vote underway at Skywest

[homerjdispatch]

Good point! So it IS about revenue, not number of pax!

 

[ya buoy]

wow

ya know, for all the skywest folks discussing/enclosing internal matters on this site you embarass the entire pilot group. Extremely unprofessional, there are internal sites designated for this.
Please use some maturity in the future.

 

[FlyboyPhil]

The 777 is easier to fly than a Seneca, but it takes much more knowledge and judgement. The quote that keeps coming back to me is, "The more automated it is the harder it is to learn and the easier it is to fly." You certainly want to be paid for the months of study and experience it took to finally get a good understanding of the 777. I'm unsure what the best way is to set up payscales, but "ease of operation" isn't it.

ya bouy- I agree that the posts have been unprofessional when they refer to individuals and speculate about their motives, the rest are informative and I think that information about what is happening in the industry is very valuable to all of us. None of this stuff is confidential or they wouldn't have sent it out to 2000+ pilots. On the other hand, our companies recipe for the secret sauce, security issues and our plan for taking over the world are confidential and shouldn't be shared willy nilly. Don't take offense, but try pause before you mount the proverbial high horse and issue judgements. Personally I find a 24 hour rule is adequate for me to regain perspective before I condemn others.

 

[Bluto]

...On the other hand, our companies recipe for the secret sauce, security issues and our plan for taking over the world are confidential and shouldn't be shared willy nilly...

Does somebody else want to tell him? Or should I? Shhhh!

 

[THUGLIFE]

No delay, ???

 

[Newman55]

it aint worth the pulling teeth

 

[Bluto]

Hello Newman. You're right. You are enlightened, able to see the industry as it truly is.Thank you, humbly, for sharing your bounteous wisdom with the rest of us. Thank you, too, for the thoroughly flawed analogies. DAL & UAL set the highest standards for pilot compensation. We at SkyWest are not asking for unreasonable rates. We'd be happy to see industry average rates on the 90-seater. Whether or not you agree with seperate rates, you can't argue that every other airline that operates similar aircraft (90-seaters) pays them more than we have been offered. We're not greedy. Regardless of what Budda says. We just want to be treated fairly.

 

[difete]

Hey "ya buoy"
Are you working for Medfly?

 

[katanabob]

You should be paid more because you are responsible for more lives, more equipment, and are generating more revenue. If everything was based on how "hard" it was to fly, you'd be paid a million dollars a year to fly hard IFR in a balloon.

I'd accept this as a valid point if there was some move to select the 'best/safest/smartest' pilots to fly the larger aircraft. This is hardly the case, however. Does $5 an hour make you any safer? Smarter? Is a 70 seater really any greater responsibility? (i.e. is the airplane more inherently dangerous?)

The only case that even begins to make your point is the 'more revenue' option. In that case, however, you jump right back into a set of arguments that favors paying more to the flight attendants/mechanics/etc. who likewise work to generate that revenue.

 

[CheckandSet]

I'd accept this as a valid point if there was some move to select the 'best/safest/smartest' pilots to fly the larger aircraft. This is hardly the case, however. Does $5 an hour make you any safer? Smarter? Is a 70 seater really any greater responsibility? (i.e. is the airplane more inherently dangerous?)

The only case that even begins to make your point is the 'more revenue' option. In that case, however, you jump right back into a set of arguments that favors paying more to the flight attendants/mechanics/etc. who likewise work to generate that revenue.

Your a tool- MORE PEOPLE = MORE RESPONSIBILITY= MORE MONEY! Your a fag! Your one of those fo's that flies with a hard on all the time because your flying a POS 50 seater and getting paid real money to fly it! Take your hard on somwhere else- I think our managers would lke it more!

 

[Bluto]

Wrong Bob

I'd accept this as a valid point if there was some move to select the 'best/safest/smartest' pilots to fly the larger aircraft. This is hardly the case, however. Does $5 an hour make you any safer? Smarter?

As a matter of fact, Bob, what you so glibly dismiss as 'hardly the case' is exactly what tends to happen when higher pay rates draw more senior, more experienced pilots to those aircraft. At SkyWest now, the most junior pilots in both seats are flying the 70 the most because the 70's are predominantly flown out of ORD and because there is no economic incentive for senior people to bid the aircraft. Do you deny the value of having more experienced pilots flying these aircraft?

 

[Plug]

Just checked about 5 minutes ago and Skywest stock was up $.75 in trading today alone. This brings it over $27 a share and some still feel that Skywest pilots should make less than others. Riiiiight!!!!!!

Cheers

 

[Bluto]

Well, you know those high rates at quality operators like Mesa are an aberration. Soon, they'll have to take concessions or lose their flying...yeah, riiight.

 

[Ben Dover]

Management to pilots: "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

Management to Wallstreet (Sept 22, 2005): "According to Kraupp, the structuring of the acquisition paves the way for continued profitability, and dramatic increases in the Company’s earnings-per-share." (Mike Kraupp is VP of finance)

 

[Bluto]

Now, if they mislead investors they go to jail, right? Martha Stewart? Kenny-boy Lay? What happens if they mislead employees? Awkward moment or two at the company Christmas party?

 

[s.o.sJTB]

What happens if they mislead employees? Awkward moment or two at the company Christmas party?

We still have company Christmas parties?

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Tool flying a mosquito

I'd accept this as a valid point if there was some move to select the 'best/safest/smartest' pilots to fly the larger aircraft. This is hardly the case, however. Does $5 an hour make you any safer? Smarter? Is a 70 seater really any greater responsibility? (i.e. is the airplane more inherently dangerous?)

The only case that even begins to make your point is the 'more revenue' option. In that case, however, you jump right back into a set of arguments that favors paying more to the flight attendants/mechanics/etc. who likewise work to generate that revenue.

We need your IP address if your from UVSC. Your mosquito skills from provo are not accepted at any regional, SkyWest being no exception. Go back to instructing down there in provo. We don't need any more high altitude tight a$$es from provo. You are a complete tool and will never make it in this industry with your Ho jet attitude.

 

[OCP]

Is it just me, or does it seem that those who say that we shouldn't get paid based on seats probably aren't pilots? What don't you understand about larger aircraft having more responsibility? Wasn't there a study that put a human life at about $1.2mil?
The more seats = more $. More $ gets the execs rich. All the Skywest people are asking for is fair compensation. THEY are what take the payload from A to B and assume the most risk while doing it. If you think that they shouldn't get paid accodingly, then you don't fly passangers.

 

[katanabob]

CheckandSet- What forensic arguments you bring forth. It's hard to believe you don't head a union somewhere. Oh, and only one of us flies a POS 50 seater.

Bluto- I don't discount the value of higher-time pilots, however, my argument was related to skill and responsibility. I've flown with plenty of high-time/low-skill pilots. With regard to responsibility, I just can't accept that there are crews who would react differently in a given situation based on whether they are carrying 50 people or 70. Why don't we just call it what it is? Senior people should get paid more.

Halo- I'm not familiar with this Provo flight school. Do you still have something against one of your instructors there?

OCP- If human life is $1.2mil, the difference between 50 and 70 seats truly is negligible. You really think you'd be able to pay off 50 lives but not 70?

There is a well-defined difference between RISK and LIABILITY. Experience or skill only affects the former.

 

[AAflyer]

CheckandSet- What forensic arguments you bring forth. It's hard to believe you don't head a union somewhere. Oh, and only one of us flies a POS 50 seater.

Bluto- I don't discount the value of higher-time pilots, however, my argument was related to skill and responsibility. I've flown with plenty of high-time/low-skill pilots. With regard to responsibility, I just can't accept that there are crews who would react differently in a given situation based on whether they are carrying 50 people or 70. Why don't we just call it what it is? Senior people should get paid more.

Halo- I'm not familiar with this Provo flight school. Do you still have something against one of your instructors there?

OCP- If human life is $1.2mil, the difference between 50 and 70 seats truly is negligible. You really think you'd be able to pay off 50 lives but not 70?

There is a well-defined difference between RISK and LIABILITY. Experience or skill only affects the former.

And everyone wonders why we continue to spiral downwards! When you can pick up your commercial and your MBA (aviation core) at the same FBO for a two for one price this is what you get.

Gawd help us all,

AA