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BILL LUMBERG

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Probably used all appropriate safety measures but this is pretty dumb if they start doing it with pax. My airline doesn't pay me enough!!


(CNN) -- Dutch airline KLM carried out a test flight Saturday night and detected "no problems" from the volcanic ash that has shut down air travel across much of Europe for the past four days, the airline announced Sunday.
"At first glance there is no reason to suspect that anything is amiss. We observed no irregularities either during the flight or during the initial inspection on the ground," said KLM president and CEO Peter Hartman, who was on the flight.
"Technical inspection conducted after yesterday's flight revealed that no problems had been encountered and that the quality of the atmosphere is in order," the airline said in a statement.
It's planning nine more test flights for Sunday, it said.
Amsterdam's Schiphol airport in the Netherlands is one of the busiest airports in Europe.
Saturday's test involved a Boeing 737-800 flying at an altitude of 41,000 feet (13,000 meters), the maximum altitude for the aircraft.
The first test flight Sunday departed from Dusseldorf, Germany, about 6:30 local time (12:30 a.m. ET).
The aircraft had no passengers on board, but was staffed by a 20-strong crew, the airline said.
"These are test flights," Hartman said. "This does not mean that normal air traffic has been resumed. This matter will be decided on by the Dutch air transport authorities in consultation with the European authorities."
Lufthansa also put planes in the air Saturday, but does not consider them to be test flights, spokesman Aage Duenhaupt said.
The German carrier flew 10 planes from Munich to Frankfurt, but kept below the altitude affected by the volcanic ash, he said.
Most flew at about 9,840 feet (3,000 meters), but one flew at 26,350 feet (8,000 meters).
The purpose was to have them in the right place when travel restrictions are lifted, Duenhaupt said.
The planes encountered no problems, he said.
 
Probably used all appropriate safety measures but this is pretty dumb if they start doing it with pax. My airline doesn't pay me enough!!


(CNN) -- Dutch airline KLM carried out a test flight Saturday night and detected "no problems" from the volcanic ash that has shut down air travel across much of Europe for the past four days, the airline announced Sunday.
"At first glance there is no reason to suspect that anything is amiss. We observed no irregularities either during the flight or during the initial inspection on the ground," said KLM president and CEO Peter Hartman, who was on the flight.
"Technical inspection conducted after yesterday's flight revealed that no problems had been encountered and that the quality of the atmosphere is in order," the airline said in a statement.
It's planning nine more test flights for Sunday, it said.
Amsterdam's Schiphol airport in the Netherlands is one of the busiest airports in Europe.
Saturday's test involved a Boeing 737-800 flying at an altitude of 41,000 feet (13,000 meters), the maximum altitude for the aircraft.
The first test flight Sunday departed from Dusseldorf, Germany, about 6:30 local time (12:30 a.m. ET).
The aircraft had no passengers on board, but was staffed by a 20-strong crew, the airline said.
"These are test flights," Hartman said. "This does not mean that normal air traffic has been resumed. This matter will be decided on by the Dutch air transport authorities in consultation with the European authorities."
Lufthansa also put planes in the air Saturday, but does not consider them to be test flights, spokesman Aage Duenhaupt said.
The German carrier flew 10 planes from Munich to Frankfurt, but kept below the altitude affected by the volcanic ash, he said.
Most flew at about 9,840 feet (3,000 meters), but one flew at 26,350 feet (8,000 meters).
The purpose was to have them in the right place when travel restrictions are lifted, Duenhaupt said.
The planes encountered no problems, he said.

So what do you suggest? This ash cloud could be there for years. Are you suggesting not having any flights to Europe for months or years? Ash is bad for airplanes. We know that, but KLM seems to think this ash cloud is mild enough to not affect airplanes. Their initial test seems to confirm their theory. I have no problem with it.
 
So what do you suggest? This ash cloud could be there for years. Are you suggesting not having any flights to Europe for months or years? Ash is bad for airplanes. We know that, but KLM seems to think this ash cloud is mild enough to not affect airplanes. Their initial test seems to confirm their theory. I have no problem with it.

Sure, tell you what.....

First it's at 26,000 ft, then at night, then we cut the safety margin down to say "we think we can avoid MOST ash plumes" until someone puts one in the drink.

I don't want to cross the ocean at 26,000 feet or the US for that matter.
It's a super idea until someone gets hurt. Send us all south and readjust the tracks and then descend to 16,000 feet once feet dry?? Maybe.....
 
Read about Speedbird 9 and tell me that doesn't give you the willies.

If they can predict where the ash cloud will be and you can avoid it, maybe. But just taxiing through that stuff can kill your engines.
 
hockey, I hear they have a mgt spot at KLM/AF for you. They really like your positive get it done attitude! You don't mind catching the next flight to AMS do you?
 
Sure, tell you what.....

First it's at 26,000 ft, then at night, then we cut the safety margin down to say "we think we can avoid MOST ash plumes" until someone puts one in the drink.

I don't want to cross the ocean at 26,000 feet or the US for that matter.
It's a super idea until someone gets hurt. Send us all south and readjust the tracks and then descend to 16,000 feet once feet dry?? Maybe.....

What's wrong with 26,000 ft? My beloved P-3s and C-130s do it all the time.
 
So what do you suggest? This ash cloud could be there for years. Are you suggesting not having any flights to Europe for months or years? Ash is bad for airplanes. We know that, but KLM seems to think this ash cloud is mild enough to not affect airplanes. Their initial test seems to confirm their theory. I have no problem with it.


KLM carried out a previous "test" in 1989 when they flew a 747-400 through volcanic ash. All four engines failed. $ 80 million damage to the aircraft including the replacement of the engines.
 

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