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Virgin America orders 40 A320s

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7 or 8 years ago the argument was the Jet Blue was not paying for there airplanes once that happened they would be introuble. 10 years ago pilots were bailing from SWA, FEDEX, & UPS for UAL,AMR, & DAL. Only time will tell but I will not be one to throw pies at the clown! We will see but VX is about the only airline out there trying to focus on the customer you know the ones that really determine who makes a profit or not.

Chairman
 
Yeah, no one else cares about the customer!

Please, give me a break!
 
VA gave the pilots and all front line employees a raise in June and increased our 401k match this spring. VA also recently bought new scheduling software. VA just recently spent money updating our industry leading inflight entertainment system. We are building a new sim training building in San Fran. And, VA is once again paying for every single employee to come to San Fran for our annual pep rally this fall. Next month VA is holding our three year old birthday bash complete with a carnival for the kids and free booze for the adults.

Sounds like we're teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

Oh, I forgot to list some other expenditures... VA recently increased our expensive San Fran office space by 1/3. They are buying new uniforms for all the crew members this winter. A few months ago they increased the minimum days off for reserve pilots and FAs.

For those of you that worked at Skybus; is this what it looked like right before they turned out the lights?

Before you answer, I forgot to list a couple other developments... We are taking delivery of six more aircraft this year, and twelve next year. We just started service to Toronto and we're starting service to Orlando, Cancun, and Cabo before years end. We are also starting service to one other yet to be announced city before years end.

Let's not forget about Terminal 2 in SFO. VA is moving into terminal 2 when construction is complete next spring. The city built the terminal to VA's specs. It's supposed to be the prettiest terminal in the United States with sweeping views of the bay. I suppose that's a lot like Skybus. Skybus pax would get a nice view of Columbus from the top of the airstairs because the company was too cheap to pay for a Jet bridge.


Not to worry you are using Richard "DICK" Bransons money. It's launderd and filtered to your operation. I don't care what you say but you can't keep buying airplanes and losing money.
 
Virgin America is not 'burning cash'.

Q3 2009 $23.2 million cash
Q4 2009 $ 22.0 million cash
Q1 2010 $20.0 million cash

Initial reports for Q2 2010 are significant profit. As reported several times - financial numbers are ahead of projected and well ahead of target for a full year profit.

As stated - New simulator center under construction, just announced order for up to 60 additional airplanes, upgraded entertainment system. Sorry to disappoint but these are not the signs of a company teetering on the edge.

And before you compare Skybus with their 65 aircraft order to Virgin America, remember their order came in October 2006, more than six months before their first flight. And skybus was airborne for not even eleven months. Virgin's order came just weeks before the third anniversary of operations and on the heels of a very successful quarter.

Most importantly - the investors in the company are acting very confident and are not acting like they are ready to throw in the towel. In fact given the recent news (all of it - not just the aircraft order) the investors are acting extremely confident. And they, not the folks on FI, are the ones who count.
 
Where do I sign up?

It'd be nice to work with a company that had an actual vision of real growth. Not just fleet reallocation.
 
As stated - New simulator center under construction, just announced order for up to 60 additional airplanes, upgraded entertainment system. Sorry to disappoint but these are not the signs of a company teetering on the edge.

And before you compare Skybus with their 65 aircraft order to Virgin America, remember their order came in October 2006, more than six months before their first flight. And skybus was airborne for not even eleven months. Virgin's order came just weeks before the third anniversary of operations and on the heels of a very successful quarter.

Most importantly - the investors in the company are acting very confident and are not acting like they are ready to throw in the towel. In fact given the recent news (all of it - not just the aircraft order) the investors are acting extremely confident. And they, not the folks on FI, are the ones who count.


Fast-growing Virgin America has signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Airbus at the Farnborough International Air Show for 40 A320s, along with options on 20 more.
The new aircraft would be delivered from 2013 through 2016 with 10 firm deliveries per year on average, and the 20 additional optioned aircraft would be delivered in 2017 and 2018.
If firmed into an order, the MOU (signed on July 22, 2010) would expand Virgin America’s all-A320-family fleet to 90 aircraft. The airline indicated it would announce its choice of engines for the additional aircraft once the purchase agreement is finalized.

What order do you keep talking about? I really don't see this as any more than a chance to get the name in the paper at an airshow. The MOU could have been for 100 aircraft, it doesn't mean they actually have a plan or financial obligation for them.

I think what happens with the batch of airplanes coming now will determine whether this all works out or not. As for displaying confidence, "they're all in" at this point. They have to. It's grow or die. If they ever want to see a return on their investment they have to keep pushing forward. That's how it always works. Western Pacific comes to mind. I'm not saying that's VA's fate, but they also pushed forward strong, displayed confidence ( for the stake of customers & investors) got the city to build a new terminal, had -700's on order, etc, etc...right up till the very end.

VA DOES have Branson though. I don't see him as being one to just roll over...I'd say that's one of the best things they've got going for them.

And for the record I think Skybus actually had firm orders for all of their aircraft.
 
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guys sit back and let them ride the wave of fun for a while.. Lets face it they are excited.. ground floor possible ipo with career captain outlook.
The jetblue guys did it and many before them..

Then some day they will wake up and realize that they have given up a couple of million at the end of their career to build and airline that when up to critical mass will look back to those same employees for " efficiencies"

JB has done it to perfection
 
I'm actually surprised they bothered to show a +30mil. for the second Q here at JB. There must not be any other airlines that need live tv installed. No where to spend our efficiencies.
 
As stated - New simulator center under construction, just announced order for up to 60 additional airplanes, upgraded entertainment system. Sorry to disappoint but these are not the signs of a company teetering on the edge.

What's your take on the fact that this is a MOU and not an aircraft order at this point? Why announce anything at all, especially when it seems it would do nothing but sound the alarm that VA has every intention of trying to becoming the next major success story. Are their competitors more or less likely to take them seriously and be ready to counter.

Sure VA is not the first airline to announce a MOU, but they aren't very common. If slots or something needed to be secured that could be done quietly...especially since there doesn't appear to be any money or commitments involved.

I'd agree with previous poster that their was probably more to putting this press release out:

1.) Airbus got their new "Sharklet A320's" in the news.

2.) VA got a ton of free press about being America's next big airline. More people are probably inclined to find out more about VA, more people will be watching to see the new markets, etc,etc.

Global News exposure for both being it took place at the Air Show.
Branson loves the press. Smart move whether they actually have a plan or not.
 
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What's your take on the fact that this is a MOU and not an aircraft order at this point? Why announce anything at all, especially when it seems it would do nothing but sound the alarm that VA has every intention of trying to becoming the next major success story. Are their competitors more or less likely to take them seriously and be ready to counter.

Sure VA is not the first airline to announce a MOU, but they aren't very common. If slots or something needed to be secured that could be done quietly...especially since there doesn't appear to be any money or commitments involved.

I'd agree with previous poster that their was probably more to putting this press release out:

1.) Airbus got their new "Sharklet A320's" in the news.

2.) VA got a ton of free press about being America's next big airline. More people are probably inclined to find out more about VA, more people will be watching to see the new markets, etc,etc.

Global News exposure for both being it took place at the Air Show.
Branson loves the press. Smart move whether they actually have a plan or not.

Fwiw:

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100722-709737.html


  • JULY 22, 2010, 8:52 A.M. ET
UPDATE: Virgin America To Order 40 Airbus Jets Worth $3.3 Bln




(Updates and rewrites, adding detail and more comment.)
By Caroline Van Hasselt and David Pearson Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)--U.S.-based airline Virgin America plans to order 40 narrow-bodied Airbus jets, worth $3.3 billion, as part of its strategy to offer low-fare, eco-friendly service to 30 cities by 2016, its chief executive said Thursday.
The San Francisco-based airline has also taken options for another 20 A320s, doubling its fleet to 90 by 2016. The first delivery is scheduled for 2013.
"It's my 60th birthday this week, and I can't think of a better 60th birthday present than getting 60 aircraft," said Sir Richard Branson, speaking by video link from his hideaway on Necker Island in the British Virgin Islands. His Virgin Group owns 25% of Virgin America.
The airline plans to announce a new U.S. destination in the next 30 days, which will bring the cities it serves to 11, Virgin America's Chief Executive David Cush told Dow Jones Newswires at the Farnborough International Air Show.
The company, which recently opened up a new route to Toronto and plans two destinations in Mexico by this winter, intends to open three new routes every year, beginning in 2011. It opened five this year.
"The quality of airlines in America hasn't been good, and now people have a choice," said Branson. "I look forward to adding new routes...and adding the Caribbean as soon as possible."
Cush said the airline's fleet expansion is "relatively small" at about 6% to 7% of U.S. industry capacity, so he doesn't think its growth will be destabilizing for the industry. He added Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) is shedding 70 unneeded airplanes this year because of its merger with NorthWest Airlines Corp. (NWA)
Billing itself as a "green" airline, Virgin America will stock its fleet with Airbus's new "sharklet" option, which is said to enhance eco-efficiency and payload range, resulting in at least 3.5% reduced fuel burn over long haul flights. The airline said since its 2007 launch, its fleet is up to 25% more fuel efficient than the average U.S. fleet.
Cush said Virgin America met with Bombardier Inc. (BBD.B.T) about its mid-sized CSeries jet, which is also scheduled to enter the market in 2013. The Canadian planemaker so far has failed to announce another CSeries order at the air show, the year's biggest trade event.
"We looked at other aircraft but we were able to come to a good deal with Airbus on this plane, plus they are very committed to finding ways to improve the efficiency of the aircraft," Cush said. "That's obviously what we loved about the CSeries, as it's a very efficient aircraft and it's very environmentally friendly."
"Bombardier has a very compelling aircraft. Just the green nature of that aircraft, that's what we liked about it. In the end, the barriers to a second fleet are pretty tough. It just seemed like the best path for us."
Cush said Airbus is working hard to ensure its aircraft remain "state-of-the-art" and expects it to "be there in 2016, 2017," with a competitive offering.
"We'll certainly look at our options if there's another aircraft out there that's 15%-20% more fuel efficient and 15%-20% less carbon intensive. Our hope is that Airbus will have an option out there around that time period, but in all honesty, if they don't, because of the economics and our commitment to have sustainable transportation, we'll look at other options," Cush said.
Airbus will backstop the financing for about 15 planes, although that isn't expected to be necessary, Cush said.
The two companies expect to reach a binding agreement in the next few months.
Airbus is a division of European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. NV (EAD.FR).
-By Caroline Van Hasselt, Dow Jones Newswires; 416-306-2023; [email protected] and David Pearson, Dow Jones Newswires; +33140171740, [email protected]
 
Well that definitely bodes well.

And to answer my own question I'm sure the MOU was just to capitalize on the spotlight of the airshow ( if an order wasn't possible for whatever reason ).

The attention might help them secure additional financing....once again going back to the theory that there was strategy behind this release.
 
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Lock up 60 aircraft without having to out lay any cash for them.....Seems like a good business plan to me!
 
Anyone else find it a bit odd that when a Virgin America press release says "we are losing money, this is our cash position, etc..." many of the folks on here use that info as proof the company is struggling; but when that exact same source says "we are on track for profitability, we are ahead of our financial projections, we are ordering airplanes, etc.." suddenly that source has no credibility?
 
guys sit back and let them ride the wave of fun for a while.. Lets face it they are excited.. ground floor possible ipo with career captain outlook.
The jetblue guys did it and many before them..

Then some day they will wake up and realize that they have given up a couple of million at the end of their career to build and airline that when up to critical mass will look back to those same employees for " efficiencies"

JB has done it to perfection

All you high and mighty better than everyone else....listen to this. Some of us had the bad luck to start this career after serving way too many years in the military which landed me dead on Sept 2001 when trying to find my first airline job. Now I am stuck at a regional with the majors not hiring and all those promised retirements not anywhere close to helping me (not to mention the talk of a age 70 rule) So given the choice of staying at a regional or going to Virgin, I would go to Virgin anyday-even though I know the pay is substandard for the plane. Even though start ups can be risky. What i do know is that the pilot groups at the majors have created the crap we have to deal with at the regional level of whipsaw and strong arm tactics to cut the cost of pilots.

I think if there were a law that stated that when you bought a ticket from an airline that every company who is subcontracted name should be of equal size and font on that ticket furthermore the operator of the airline should be the primary and most noticable name on the plane.

I fly for a regional which was just sold, which was owned by another airline that was sold both took planes away from us and made a good group of pilots suffer.
 

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