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I was one of the guys furloughed at CS and am going to call Bull******************** on this post!!!!! I'll go over it with you. Union or not, this economy is affecting everyone. Agreed. Are those boots to tight for you netjetwife? They seem to be cutting the blood off to your brain. My post was polite and supportive while yours is rude and insulting. By any fair standard, RC, it's your post that reeks...:smash: This is the closest smiley we have for waving the BS Flag. Let me show you how to call Bull*****...
Sell your pro union 'help' to someone else. :smash: Correction: I was empathizing and showing sincere concern for the CS pilots. Throwing a frac neighbor's support back in their face is BS. It does nothing to help build camaraderie at a time when all aviation folks need to support each other. Let me know how your union is helping Berkshire Hathaway and NetJets after the first week of July. You KNOW what I am talking about. :erm: Actually, that's a bit vague, but I'll share my thoughts. NJASAP will be working w/NJA to cut waste, correct redundancies and become more efficient. Some of us think that will involve NJI. The NJ pilots who are participating in the Preventive Measures will be helping to save money and alleviate the over-manning problem caused by reduced demand.
You have BH backing you. That is all that is saving Netjets from furloughing HUGE (by other fractional carriers standards) numbers of pilots....period. Get an education and some integrity here if you REALLY want to help pilots. I make it a point to stay informed about frac issues and I only post on topics I understand. Moreover, there is no reason to cast aspersions on my integrity, which is very solid. Here's your flag...:smash: And a second one .. :smash:...for failing to give the NJ employees (not just pilots) due credit for signing up for the jointly identified ways to cut costs and simultaneously save jobs. And another flag :smash: for your failure to properly recognize NJA and NJASAP for working together to produce the options package that has saved a huge number of jobs.
As just a line pilot with an EDUCATION, I can see that CS has done the best they can considering the current economic situation.
You are full of ********************.
Their best? I think not. Sharing information costs very little, if anything, so their refusal to do so can't be blamed on the economy. During trying times being kept informed matters even more and morale, typically low when there's a furlough, can be raised with good communication. Insulting me for standing up for the CS pilots merits you one more flag...:smash:.
The flags above have been partly in fun; seriously, though, I think it's wrong not to be more supportive of your fellow pilots and their families, especially these days. Because of your complaints, I took another look at my post but I still stand by what I wrote. Best Wishes to the CS pilots and their families. NJW
With all due respect, in this instance, she really does get it. NJASAP has saved the day for several hundred toward the bottom of the seniority list.Aaahhhh yeah, sharing information. That great line of communication right? Just go ask a NetJet pilot how many are going to be affected by the upcoming cutbacks......ummmmm, 200, 500, 700 pilots....er, we don't know? Well when will the 200, 500, 700 pilots be coming back? Are they happy? Has your union saved the day? You REALLY don't get it.
CS had some folks leave for the 'better life' of Netjets and now they are on the street.
If I had to be in the lower 200 to 600 of any jet frac ... which one, I wonder, would I like it to be?
If I had to be in the lower 200 to 600 of any jet frac ... which one, I wonder, would I like it to be?
How is it that you "support" your furloughed friends?Another thing. I do support my furloughed CS friends. Again, you have NO idea. You absolutely look foolish speaking like you do.
Aaahhhh yeah, sharing information. That great line of communication right? Just go ask a NetJet pilot how many are going to be affected by the upcoming cutbacks......ummmmm, 200, 500, 700 pilots....er, we don't know? Well when will the 200, 500, 700 pilots be coming back? Are they happy? Has your union saved the day? You REALLY don't get it.
CS had some folks leave for the 'better life' of Netjets and now they are on the street. Had they stayed, they would have a job. How has that 'voice at the table' helped them?
Aaahhhh yeah, sharing information. That great line of communication right? Just go ask a NetJet pilot how many are going to be affected by the upcoming cutbacks......NJ pilots will tell you that thanks to the combined efforts of the Union and the Company it is far less than it could have been. ummmmm, 200, 500, 700 pilots....er, we don't know? Actually, the pilotgroup has been kept up to date and will get another report on Monday. That's why Fisch was able to tell you that hundreds of jobs have already been saved. Well when will the 200, 500, 700 pilots be coming back? IF pilots are furloughed they will be brought back as soon as demand allows and they will have unlimited recall rights. What did the CS pilots get? Are they happy? With the mitigation package--very. Has your union saved the day? For most of those at risk--yes. (Along w/the Company; it is a joint project). The final numbers are still being tallied. You REALLY don't get it. On the contrary, jobs are being saved, making the NJ/NJASAP method the best response for that situation. Those pilots that have been offered $1000 a month and health benefits for the 3 yrs they may need to sit out, are very appreciative of the help.
.... How has that 'voice at the table' helped them? NJASAP got a much better deal for them than their counterparts got from Shares. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even furloughed NJ pilots get a better health care benefit than active CS pilots. That comes from having a 'voice at the table'.
... CS.... I worked there. I was furloughed. I KNOW what they did was the best they could do. Rigger also worked there and was furloughed, too. His post was much more critical of the way Shares treated the pilots. ... I am not sure who feeds you this stuff about our companySo you just skipped the post made by another CS pilot? but you look foolish speaking of it as if it were truth. Are you suggesting that Rigger was dishonest? :erm: It is one side of the story...more than likely a pro union side. ... Your viewpoint is also one-sided and clearly anti-union. At least Rigger offered examples to back up his post; you just threw out insults and false claims.
.... As far as my post being rude, again you are wrong. Let's review it:
"Are those boots to tight for you netjetwife? They seem to be cutting the blood off to your brain. Get an education and some integrity ...You are full of ********************. End quote.
Mind your own business. ...
I really don't care who gets the credit. NJASAP, the company or BH. It is disturbing that instead of being genuinely happy for fellow pilots who have a shot a getting through this mess in decent shape
NJI pilots have saved tens of thousands of dollars airlining in row 44 on transatlantic flights...
And the spinless little sh*tbags who secretly hope NetJets will fail can kiss my arse.
... MOST of the time, things are wonderful......all without a union. That is all the proof I need.
An ambiguous letter that leaves pilots hanging, not knowing if they were terminated or furloughed, and gives them no idea if they will be recalled, re-employed, or totally forgotten is not wonderful.It is insulting and pathetic! What a lousy way to treat pilots who sacrificed time with their families, working hard for the company.
I think that's enough proof for the CS pilots to know they need representation.
... I have found that most of what is spouted as truth in this company, in an effort to get a union, is nothing more than lies used to stir the pot.
Are you suggesting that Rigger was lying about the letter he received?
I go with what I have experienced in this company. That is honesty, kindness, and a sincere effort to make things better, again, all without a union. .....