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[wolfpackpilot]

If the NJI guys are volunteering to fly economy, that saves some serious cash. I'm impressed. Seriously.

Don't quote me, but I believe its almost $200,000 so far.

(Plus guys are trading overtime days for comp days too)


If I were King for a Day... I'd ask every pilot here to give just a little so that not one single pilot on our list hits the street. I've been there, and it sucks worse than going to an Opera show.

I've always been a big fan of Co-ops... You get out what you put in.

 

[RCR5]

netjetwife,

What is it like to be a mushroom in the dark, only seeing the light when someone opens the door just to cover you with compost?

As far as rigger is concerned, if he wants me to walk him into the company so he can get answers to his questions, I will try to accomodate him. Or if he needs help dialing the phone to contact them, I could help him with that as well.

Personally, I found it easier to stop by during a standby day at HPN. But that was just my preference. I got my answers too. I know what to expect.

Sorry to ruin your conspiracy theory with the truth.

 

[rigger]

Hey you know what rigger?

Unless you were sitting in the meetings and part of it all, you are speculating. Plain and simple. That is your opinion. There are many in the company with opposing opinions.
I was not at the meetings as you say, but I do know when they were and what happened shortly there after. That said I am not speculating about a thing. What happened is fact, as for other items the company could do to cut costs I again am not speculating, Facts are facts as to Inefficiencies in the company, I will not go into them here but if you work /worked for Shares you know them all very well. You mistake my conversations as blasting Shares I have no intention of blasting the company I worked for, I will however tell it like it is with no rose colored glasses the good and the bad! As for having opposing opinions I hope there are many of them unfortunately what I said happened after the meeting are not subject to opinion they are fact!

Shares has never shown me anything but a sincere effort to do the best they can in every situation. Sometimes things get messed up but they always get corrected. MOST of the time, things are wonderful......all without a union. That is all the proof I need.

Finally we have agreement, I have loved working here for the most part! I will disagree with you on one sentence. "Shares has done the best they CHOOSE to do for the most part" a small word but a huge difference in meaning.They pick and choose at will how to deal with the same situations. One person will get treated one way and another will get treated another...... You never know where you stand! yes all without a union, things are not bad, but I will say this, most every thing that has happened at shares is due to another fractional standing up and changing the industry, or the pilot group finally has enough and the union talk starts and then POOF (I like that word) something changes to make the group feel better....all without OUR OWN UNION......but riding the coat tails of another companies hard fought battles or on the threat of a union really happening this time....(how crappy is that) By the way not opinion again fact look at the history. I know it will be hard to believe but I am not pro union.......I would rather not have a union, BUT when things are done very arbitrarily then it is time to put things into perspective without any emotion! When pilots are terminated over the phone for minor things, or Managers are terminated for disagreeing with Vice Presidents, or other departments hire new people 2 days after 24 people are fired, then perhaps it's time to stand up and say enough.......cause if you never have re-course then when will it be your time???

I still believe in doing the best you can for those PAYING you to do a job and things will all work out. Having flown with those with varying opinions from both sides of the fence, I have found that most of what is spouted as truth in this company, in an effort to get a union, is nothing more than lies used to stir the pot.

Man o man I think you have insinuated I was a liar a number of times, please stop it! EVERYTHING I have said here is a truth that is in fact happening at this moment. Have a union don't have a union. It Makes no difference to me anymore, but it does to you weather you believe it or not! If you are an employee still employed I urge you to educate yourself about the happenings in the company, get a copy of the letter sent to the furloughed Pilots, ask around about the hirings and fireings.......when you check into the inner workings then we need to talk. I am not trying to stir anything, I started all this to remind the NetJets folks that although it sucks what they are dealing with there are others in the industry that have it just a little bit worse, and the reason weather you like it or not is that they fought and got the UNION and that is the only differance between the two companies at this moment (when dealing with the furloughs)

When asked to provide proof, first hand accounts, ect,. The person saying it was not able to provide anything more than second hand accounts.

Tell me what you want to see and I will provide it for you.....again no lies no emotion only what I have in my grubby little hands.

I go with what I have experienced in this company. That is honesty, kindness, and a sincere effort to make things better, again, all without a union. That is a company I will always want to work for.
Very well said I agree with you I would also like to continue to work here, You and I obviously experiance different things.....thats OK just be a little more tolerant of those that have gone before you!


I would love to give you my side of the equation, but I will refrain from posting company issues here. It is nobody elses busines but ours.

What a cop out! It's anyones business that wants to know. How many folks on here want to work at shares? How many folks want to make an informed decision? Information is power......providing it never hurt anyone if-fact in only helps to dispell the rumor an inuendo!!!
You make a great point here that needs to be brought out. Shares is a strange company that a number of people see it and experiance it one way and others in the same space see it and experiance it another. This is a strange dynamic that is hard to get a hold of. The culture here has been set in a such a way that they hire extremely well, and get just what they are after......then as time passes the rank and file start to figure it out a differing pace.....let it out we will all listen, Just be nice about it!

 

[rigger]

netjetwife,

What is it like to be a mushroom in the dark, only seeing the light when someone opens the door just to cover you with compost?

I am sorry you are so angry,

As far as rigger is concerned, if he wants me to walk him into the company so he can get answers to his questions, I will try to accomodate him. Or if he needs help dialing the phone to contact them, I could help him with that as well.
Been to the company, have heard the answers some made sense some made no sense, when I asked for the answers in writing that mattered they would not do it, maybe it was the way I asked..... I have that effect on people. I learned along time ago especially in this industry if it is not in writing then it is not real, what I have in writing is not good!

Personally, I found it easier to stop by during a standby day at HPN. But that was just my preference. I got my answers too. I know what to expect.
No again you need to open your eyes, you think you know what to expect based on what they said, but in the real world what they put on paper to you is what you can expect and if they do what they say they will do ( no reason to believe that they wont) it is gravy! But what if they don't, what if they change there mind? what if they get sold and change there mind? what if, what if, what if I could go on all night. The fact is we are hoping they will do the right thing.... (I really believe they will) BUT WHAT IF THEY DONT WHAT IS STOPPING THEM?????? NetJets knows the right thing will be done no matter what because they have a great big contract with penalties and stuff all laid out in it, It's great incentive....to always do the right thing!!! and this is a HUGE difference!!!!!

Sorry to ruin your conspiracy theory with the truth.

I don't believe in conspiracy theorys, only the facts as I have laid them out so well in these last posts, I bring no emotion to anything that is happening to you or I. I have seen no truth from you only your experiance and opinion with/about the company. I have no doubt that you are happy here, Believe it when I tell you I was very happy also but I also know it can and needs to be better for the next group that is coming after us.....just as the senior guys now made a lot of the the good happen for you and I today we need to do this for the guys tommorrow, and putting our heads down and saying golly this is the greatest.....we can say NO this should change but that is great!!!! with or without a Union.....I am just of the opinion based on my experiance that we will never be in control or our ow destiny without one with this management group!

 

[rigger]

From Rigger's account, his experience is vastly different. Had the CS pilots been organized, furloughs would have been done in accordance with contract rules, giving all pilots equal treatment. Rigger's status would not be in question and he would know exactly what his recall rights are.

Again, my sympathies, Rigger. Your situation is getting worse with each post. Please tell your wife and kids that I'm sorry this has happened to y'all. The frac lifestyle is often difficult and requires many sacrifices. After all you gave to Shares, your family deserved better treatment. Netjetwife

I thank you very much!!!! This is a bad time for all of us, I have been this way before and I pray it will be the last!! I will hope to get a recall As I said in my reply to RC I liked my time at Shares and hope to return. (we really are sick arent we!!!) I am in an OK position Im a bit older have been through this before and was prepared, my wife doas well and we will weather the storm, but I really feel badly for the other guys/gals that left long time jobs with great seniority, or guys with brand new babies, or a few of the guys that moved just to be in the "gateway"city some of them are in bad shape! My heart goes out to them. It also goes out to the Flex guys, and the Flight options guys and of course if NetJets has to furlough....It just sucks!!!

The letter I got by the way is the same letter everyone of the furloughed guys/gals got My status along with eveyone's status is the same The letter says what it says, if folks want to put thier heads down that's fine but as you said.........no one really knows based on the letter I know what we were told face to face or over the phone but that's different then whats in writing and as you and your hubby know from your work in the MEC Writing is all that counts!!! I don't believe Shares will back out of what they say but It is written in a way as to allow themselves that out.....If you have nothing but honorable intentions then why not spell it out! My last furlough letter spells it all out, How it works, when it will work, how long it will work for, etc. Nothing to hide nothing to hide behind. This one not so much!!! Only difference one was Union shop one was not.....

 

[RCR5]

If someone pays you to do a job, do it to the best of your ability, and you have nothing to worry about. Your replys are the biggest cliche in the company and they all come from the pro union people.

I have always been open to both sides of this argument. I have sat for literally hours flying in planes with people like you, debunking your hearsay the whole day. NOT ONCE has anyone, ever been able to provide proof of Citation Shares management doing something out of spite or anger. I have been told some good stories. When I checked them out, there was always another side to it that put the whole story in perspective. You never get that from you, netjetwife and the other pro union folks. There is always two sides to a story and you guys conveniently focus on the 'this is why we need a union side.' It is fear mongering for the weak minded. That shoe seems to fit on your feet very well.

I would love to give you my side of the equation, but I will refrain from posting company issues here. It is nobody elses busines but ours.

What a cop out! It's anyones business that wants to know. How many folks on here want to work at shares? How many folks want to make an informed decision? Information is power......providing it never hurt anyone if-fact in only helps to dispell the rumor an inuendo!!!

This reply is all I need to know about you. I don't believe you are a furloughed CS pilot. You sound more like a competitor. I can't believe we would hire someone like this. If we did, that was a mistake and I hope you find another job and stay there. This comment is truly disgraceful.

You have PM privelages. Prove me wrong.

 

[RCR5]

BTW, you and netjetwife sure like kissing each others butts. I looked up some of your past posts and you guys seem fairly cozy. Almost like you know each other. You certainly seem to be on the same page of music. Interesting.

 

[fob727]

It's a conspiracy! :beer:

 

[NJA bound]

Will someone kill this thread, some much ass talk here, my god no one has been layed off, no one is gonna get layed off, christ o mighty. Some fukn commiass non american non union gay marraige favorin pieces of ******************** flamers

 

[Hogprint]

Seriously? I would imagine the bottom 200 to 600 are feeling very exposed right now. Exposed like, "not sure how to pay the mortgage" and, "I hope we can beat off foreclosure", and, 'I hope all semblance of civility don't disappear".

And some of those guys, I'm sure, were from the aforementioned CS. Have a touch of empathy.

No, don't give him cover. He specifically said "people were on the street".

Not "the bottom 200 that MAY be on the street".

See the difference? There is enough misinformation on this site. Let's all do our part to tamp it down. Fair?