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svcta

svcta

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Okay, for years and years whenever you first called Clearance, Ground, or Approach and you gave the ATIS that you had it was heard by the controller and we moved on.

Foe the last year or so it seems that has changed. For example, I had a few trips in one day last week where every single controller asked me to confirm the ATIS right after I called with the current ATIS (by name, Charlie, let's say)

Me: 'XX Approach, N12345 11 thousand, Charlie'
Approach: 'N12345, descend and maintain 6000 verify information Charlie.'

Ugh.


The guy I was flying with has noticed it too. What has changed where I have to give the ATIS twice every time?
 
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I even try to make it perfectly clear... "Spot 6, taxi, I Have Information Alpha. "

Controller: "Taxi 18 Center, verify information Alpha."

Why bother..

Freaking pay attention. Really.
 
I think many times they are HEARING what you're saying, but they're not LISTENING to what you're really saying and they're glossing over the part about the ATIS.
 
JudgeSmails218 said:
I think many times they are HEARING what you're saying, but they're not LISTENING to what you're really saying and they're glossing over the part about the ATIS.
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Your husband must be an air traffic controller.
 
I've noticed a bit of an increase of this lately as well...both on the approach side & on the ground/clc del/metering side.
I remember a female controller in MSP used to say "thank you for alpha, taxi via b,f,..." ..I really liked that technique..lets you know she actually listened to what you said. Unfortunately she must have that copyrighted.
 
Then don't check in with the current ATIS, just wait til they ask.. this way you won't have to say it twice.
 
You missed the point.

say again said:
Then don't check in with the current ATIS, just wait til they ask.. this way you won't have to say it twice.
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How about the people I pay pay attention & DO THEIR FREAKING JOBS!

That must be too much to ask these days.
 
Big Dog said:
How about the people I pay pay attention & DO THEIR FREAKING JOBS!

That must be too much to ask these days.
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Hahahaha, calm down Mr regional pilot extraordinare. I got your point, BUT the sarcasm obviously flew right over head. I find people like you that get your panties in a wad over nothing quite amusing. Relax a bit, you'll live longer.
 
Wow, tough crowd. They can't all be perfect like us pilots. Often, they're not just listening to you but may be listening to a landline or hearing from the specialist next to them when paired up. Visit a tower or TRACON some time, it's pretty enlightening.
 
It really seems more systemic lately than just the 'land line' or another freq talking, or just coincidence. Which is why I was hoping some controllers could weigh in.

It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the caliber of the controllers, it is almost as if they are required to ask now. Nonsensical, I know, but why else does it happen seemingly every time I get a clearance now?
 
I thought they were just doing this to me because I fly a little bug smasher.
 
Lately I've been flying with no APU. Here is the typical conversation:

ME: Gates, request permission to start one engine at the gate.
GATES: Clear to push tail east, call for taxi.
ME: That's great, but that's not what I asked for.....

Same song, different verse.
 
DUATS said:
Lately I've been flying with no APU. Here is the typical conversation:

ME: Gates, request permission to start one engine at the gate.
GATES: Clear to push tail east, call for taxi.
ME: That's great, but that's not what I asked for.....

Same song, different verse.
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That's up to the airport authority whether or not you can start up at the gate. Controllers could care less. We have no control over this. I get requests a lot for X-bleed starts on the taxi way and the only reason I care about the request is because the aircraft has to stop. Not something I like to do on Alpha or Bravo.
 
ATIS Redundancy

I've noticed too. Seems like they might be trying to protect themselves in the event of an incident/accident....
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
I get requests a lot for X-bleed starts on the taxi way and the only reason I care about the request is because the aircraft has to stop. Not something I like to do on Alpha or Bravo.
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I may have dealt with you recently. I clearly stated that I needed to stop somewhere before the runway to do a X-bleed start. We made it all the way to 32L/T-10 and still had not been cleared to stop.
You ORD guys can't handle a little non-conventional activity once in a while.
 
Uncle Bunkle said:
I may have dealt with you recently. I clearly stated that I needed to stop somewhere before the runway to do a X-bleed start. We made it all the way to 32L/T-10 and still had not been cleared to stop.
You ORD guys can't handle a little non-conventional activity once in a while.
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hahaha

yeah, we can't handle non-conventional activity. I can assure you this wasn't me. You need to do a cross bleed fine, T10, no problem, hold short of A9 and let me know when your done.

Did you tell metering or did you tell ground. Metering can sometimes forget to pass along all of your request as OBG can sometimes be to busy to interupt. Next time ask OBG where they want you to stop. May be a quick trip to the box, may be J1 Tango short of A7, may be short of A9, maybe on A. Just ask. We forget things from time to time.
 
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What bugs me is when there is an ARRIVAL and a DEPARTURE ATIS, with different letters. ACARS (mine at least), only receives ARRIVAL ATIS. So when departing, I have two choices:
1- listen to departure ATIS (5 minutes of computer voice); or
2- say I have the ATIS. Controller says "verify departure ATIS Bravo," I say "affirmative."

Why do we need different ATIS information? If the two were combined, it would add a few seconds to each to include arrival runways and departure runways.

Controllers: WHY??
and: HELP!
 
A contoller told me that there was a GA accident and the estate sued the FAA because the pilot either didn't say he had the ATIS and the controller didn't ask him or the ATIS had changed and the controller didn't tell him of the new ATIS and there was something on the ATIS that may have possibly prevented the accident. So if true -- blame the lawyers.
 
Mach 80 said:
A contoller told me that there was a GA accident and the estate sued the FAA because the pilot either didn't say he had the ATIS and the controller didn't ask him or the ATIS had changed and the controller didn't tell him of the new ATIS and there was something on the ATIS that may have possibly prevented the accident. So if true -- blame the lawyers.
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Hence why these days if a plane comes on freq. in an emergency situation we are conditioned to give them wind and altimeter on initial call. We don't even have to think about it anymore.
 
2ndGenPSA said:
What bugs me is when there is an ARRIVAL and a DEPARTURE ATIS, with different letters. ACARS (mine at least), only receives ARRIVAL ATIS. So when departing, I have two choices:
1- listen to departure ATIS (5 minutes of computer voice); or
2- say I have the ATIS. Controller says "verify departure ATIS Bravo," I say "affirmative."

Why do we need different ATIS information? If the two were combined, it would add a few seconds to each to include arrival runways and departure runways.

Controllers: WHY??
and: HELP!
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Solution to convert arrival atis to departure is using the FMS keypad, count 13 letters past the current departure atis code to get the departure "letter"
 
Mach 80 said:
A contoller told me that there was a GA accident and the estate sued the FAA because the pilot either didn't say he had the ATIS and the controller didn't ask him or the ATIS had changed and the controller didn't tell him of the new ATIS and there was something on the ATIS that may have possibly prevented the accident. So if true -- blame the lawyers.
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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/24/us/fatal-runway-collision-under-us-inquiry.html

ATIS didn't show taxiway in use as runway in St. Louis, hence the "read back all hold short instructions" and "verify ATIS" came out of this.
 
Really? Really? This is what you people, "YOU PEOPLE", waste your time thinking about?

I never tell them I have the Info.

I always say "with you" on every Radio Call.

You all make me want to puke. WTF is wrong with all of you?

Oh...Merry Christmas you Namby-Pamby Aviation Professionals.

Love,

Whine
 
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