"Verify you have ATIS..."

[Starscream]

You guys are right.................it's not like pilots ever make controllers repeat themselves

 

[JimNtexas]

I thought they were just doing this to me because I fly a little bug smasher.

 

[DUATS]

Lately I've been flying with no APU. Here is the typical conversation:

ME: Gates, request permission to start one engine at the gate.
GATES: Clear to push tail east, call for taxi.
ME: That's great, but that's not what I asked for.....

Same song, different verse.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Lately I've been flying with no APU. Here is the typical conversation:

ME: Gates, request permission to start one engine at the gate.
GATES: Clear to push tail east, call for taxi.
ME: That's great, but that's not what I asked for.....

Same song, different verse.

That's up to the airport authority whether or not you can start up at the gate. Controllers could care less. We have no control over this. I get requests a lot for X-bleed starts on the taxi way and the only reason I care about the request is because the aircraft has to stop. Not something I like to do on Alpha or Bravo.

 

[Captn]

ATIS Redundancy

I've noticed too. Seems like they might be trying to protect themselves in the event of an incident/accident....

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

I get requests a lot for X-bleed starts on the taxi way and the only reason I care about the request is because the aircraft has to stop. Not something I like to do on Alpha or Bravo.

I may have dealt with you recently. I clearly stated that I needed to stop somewhere before the runway to do a X-bleed start. We made it all the way to 32L/T-10 and still had not been cleared to stop.
You ORD guys can't handle a little non-conventional activity once in a while.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

I may have dealt with you recently. I clearly stated that I needed to stop somewhere before the runway to do a X-bleed start. We made it all the way to 32L/T-10 and still had not been cleared to stop.
You ORD guys can't handle a little non-conventional activity once in a while.

hahaha

yeah, we can't handle non-conventional activity. I can assure you this wasn't me. You need to do a cross bleed fine, T10, no problem, hold short of A9 and let me know when your done.

Did you tell metering or did you tell ground. Metering can sometimes forget to pass along all of your request as OBG can sometimes be to busy to interupt. Next time ask OBG where they want you to stop. May be a quick trip to the box, may be J1 Tango short of A7, may be short of A9, maybe on A. Just ask. We forget things from time to time.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

hahaha

yeah, we can't handle non-conventional activity.

Hopefully you caught my sarcasm.

On another note, I love listening to ANA or "Eddy Hodd" reading back instructions all half-ass.

 

[2ndGenPSA]

What bugs me is when there is an ARRIVAL and a DEPARTURE ATIS, with different letters. ACARS (mine at least), only receives ARRIVAL ATIS. So when departing, I have two choices:
1- listen to departure ATIS (5 minutes of computer voice); or
2- say I have the ATIS. Controller says "verify departure ATIS Bravo," I say "affirmative."

Why do we need different ATIS information? If the two were combined, it would add a few seconds to each to include arrival runways and departure runways.

Controllers: WHY??
and: HELP!

 

[Mach 80]

A contoller told me that there was a GA accident and the estate sued the FAA because the pilot either didn't say he had the ATIS and the controller didn't ask him or the ATIS had changed and the controller didn't tell him of the new ATIS and there was something on the ATIS that may have possibly prevented the accident. So if true -- blame the lawyers.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

A contoller told me that there was a GA accident and the estate sued the FAA because the pilot either didn't say he had the ATIS and the controller didn't ask him or the ATIS had changed and the controller didn't tell him of the new ATIS and there was something on the ATIS that may have possibly prevented the accident. So if true -- blame the lawyers.

Hence why these days if a plane comes on freq. in an emergency situation we are conditioned to give them wind and altimeter on initial call. We don't even have to think about it anymore.

 

[SXMp2c]

What bugs me is when there is an ARRIVAL and a DEPARTURE ATIS, with different letters. ACARS (mine at least), only receives ARRIVAL ATIS. So when departing, I have two choices:
1- listen to departure ATIS (5 minutes of computer voice); or
2- say I have the ATIS. Controller says "verify departure ATIS Bravo," I say "affirmative."

Why do we need different ATIS information? If the two were combined, it would add a few seconds to each to include arrival runways and departure runways.

Controllers: WHY??
and: HELP!

Solution to convert arrival atis to departure is using the FMS keypad, count 13 letters past the current departure atis code to get the departure "letter"

 

[radarlove]

A contoller told me that there was a GA accident and the estate sued the FAA because the pilot either didn't say he had the ATIS and the controller didn't ask him or the ATIS had changed and the controller didn't tell him of the new ATIS and there was something on the ATIS that may have possibly prevented the accident. So if true -- blame the lawyers.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/24/us/fatal-runway-collision-under-us-inquiry.html

ATIS didn't show taxiway in use as runway in St. Louis, hence the "read back all hold short instructions" and "verify ATIS" came out of this.

 

[ron burgundy]

Been driving me nuts for quite a while now!

You work for swa..y'all like to talk about what you have.
Your moment to own it!!!
I HAVE INFORMATION ECHO!!!

 

[Whine Lover]

Really? Really? This is what you people, "YOU PEOPLE", waste your time thinking about?

I never tell them I have the Info.

I always say "with you" on every Radio Call.

You all make me want to puke. WTF is wrong with all of you?

Oh...Merry Christmas you Namby-Pamby Aviation Professionals.

Love,

Whine