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[DaveGriffin]

And here I thought we were all one team.

If the AF can't get their 381 F-22s, they give-up on their teammates and go home to sulk.

 

[stonewall]

You had to edit one line? And one that makes no sense to boot?

I'm glad the overwhelming majority of the US Armed Forces personnel don't share your views, Dave. With 'teammates' like you, the USAF doesn't need adversaries.

In the meantime, the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps will continue to conduct daily combat operations unimpeded by enemy airpower....but that's just by sheer accident, no?

I still don't understand your hostility toward the USAF. As someone who claims to be a Naval Officer, it's at the height of arrogance, immaturity, shortsightedness, and, frankly, stupidity.

I guess everyone else is right about you...you're a troll. I should've stopped giving you the benefit of the doubt a year ago. Later.

 

[SIG600]

If the AF can't get their 381 F-22s, they give-up on their teammates and go home to sulk.

Dave you're a goddamn tool (which we've established). I'd turn over the Air Superiority role to the USAF bro's any day. They are better versed, better trained, and better equipped. However I'm sure you knew this. Navy TACAIR's role is not to establish air superiority, or maintain it.

 

[guppygoshawk]

Dave you're a goddamn tool (which we've established). I'd turn over the Air Superiority role to the USAF bro's any day. They are better versed, better trained, and better equipped. However I'm sure you knew this. Navy TACAIR's role is not to establish air superiority, or maintain it.

You're disowned.

 

[BiffF15]

You're disowned.

Who is disowned, DG or SIG?

 

[guppygoshawk]

Who is disowned, DG or SIG?

DG isn't a part of the USN, so he doesn't count. Other than that, I'm not so willing to admit defeat.........

 

[SIG600]

DG isn't a part of the USN, so he doesn't count. Other than that, I'm not so willing to admit defeat.........

Ya I'm sure he'd choke me through the internet if I he could. Just tellin' it like it is. Maybe your gucci Lot 30's with two brains can compete.

Hornet = jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[guppygoshawk]

Ya I'm sure he'd choke me through the internet if I he could. Just tellin' it like it is. Maybe your gucci Lot 30's with two brains can compete.

Hornet = jack of all trades, master of none.

Good sh!t, no further comment.

 

[BiffF15]

Ya I'm sure he'd choke me through the internet if I he could. Just tellin' it like it is. Maybe your gucci Lot 30's with two brains can compete.

Hornet = jack of all trades, master of none.

Sig,
Thanks for the words. I have done DACT and DBFM with the F18F in my trusty 1975 model year F15A. It's going to be more capable once they get the AESA however from my perspective as of now it's just an "improved" C/D BVR and less capable in the visual arena.
The High Aspect BFM was especially notable (Hornet F pylons only, Eagle 2 Bags plus two AIM-7s, one AIM-9, one ACMI pod). Two set ups, two KIOs as I was employing the gun (FOUL). I gave him the full up debrief (2 hours and change for two fights). I thought his RIO was going to die but at least the Driver had a great attitude and wanted to learn. There is quite a bit of difference between our Weapon Schools philosophically.
Biff

 

[guppygoshawk]

Sig,
Thanks for the words. I have done DACT and DBFM with the F18F in my trusty 1975 model year F15A. It's going to be more capable once they get the AESA however from my perspective as of now it's just an "improved" C/D BVR and less capable in the visual arena.
The High Aspect BFM was especially notable (Hornet F pylons only, Eagle 2 Bags plus two AIM-7s, one AIM-9, one ACMI pod). Two set ups, two KIOs as I was employing the gun (FOUL). I gave him the full up debrief (2 hours and change for two fights). I thought his RIO was going to die but at least the Driver had a great attitude and wanted to learn. There is quite a bit of difference between our Weapon Schools philosophically.
Biff

Just for perspective, when was this (for SH maturity only, not trying to figure out when EXACTLY it was.) and against what experience level pilot? What differences in philosophy have you noticed? Feel free to take it off-line if need be. Thanks.

 

[stonewall]

Maybe your gucci Lot 30's with two brains can compete.

There is only 100% SA to be had in any given cockpit...with two people, you just split it. I'd rather have one dude with 80% SA than two with 50%!

 

[Deuce130]

There is only 100% SA to be had in any given cockpit...with two people, you just split it. I'd rather have one dude with 80% SA than two with 50%!

MAGNUM!!, that makes absolutely zero sense. Where'd you learn math? If one guy has 100% SA, his backseater has 100% SA, that makes two guys with 100% SA. That doubles your chances that the guys in that jet have more SA than the guy in the other jet. Two guys with full SA is better than one guy with 80%. Your statement sounds like something single seat fighter guys made up to make himself feel better.

 

[stonewall]

MAGNUM!!, that makes absolutely zero sense. Where'd you learn math? If one guy has 100% SA, his backseater has 100% SA, that makes two guys with 100% SA. That doubles your chances that the guys in that jet have more SA than the guy in the other jet. Two guys with full SA is better than one guy with 80%. Your statement sounds like something single seat fighter guys made up to make himself feel better.

When two guys are splitting duties relevant to the task at hand, it's impossible for each to have 100% SA.

You ever seen an MC-130 flight deck where all 16 people have 100% SA? Two guys trying to communicate while doing seperate tasks for the same goal is not always a force multiplier.

 

[SIG600]

Biff, the pilot has a lot to do with that one. A clean Super with you slinging all that ******************** should have been living in your control zone.

Guppy, still want to choke me? I mean with that banged up wrist and all...

 

[BiffF15]

Biff, the pilot has a lot to do with that one. A clean Super with you slinging all that ******************** should have been living in your control zone.

Guppy, still want to choke me? I mean with that banged up wrist and all...

I have not looked at the EM diagrams for the SuperHornet however it seems to bleed much worse than the C/D (toughest I have fought was an A model well flown after the last big flight control software update).
However, there was some decision making matrix errors that we discussed in detail. Big picture I told him if something you are doing keeps getting you killed regardless of who taught it to you then MAYBE it isn't the best way of doing things.

 

[414Flyer]

From talking to friend that fly the 16 and 18, it sounds like the 18 can give a really great turn at the merge, until it runs out of energy. F-16 can regain energy like no ones business, especially one with the better engines.

 

[BiffF15]

When two guys are splitting duties relevant to the task at hand, it's impossible for each to have 100% SA.

You ever seen an MC-130 flight deck where all 16 people have 100% SA? Two guys trying to communicate while doing seperate tasks for the same goal is not always a force multiplier.

Concur.

 

[pilotyip]

Failed mission

I wouldn't be surprised if you saw some very neat Raptor gun footage on CNN / Fox after that little bout...

As Robin Olds told me over a beer a couple years, if the F-22 uses its guns in air combat it has failed in its mission. 10 F-5s against one F-22 the F-22 is in serious trouble, and can use its superiority to disengage and cede air superiority to the F-5's. Lets see you could buy about 50 F-5 for the cost of 1 F-22?

 

[SIG600]

From talking to friend that fly the 16 and 18, it sounds like the 18 can give a really great turn at the merge, until it runs out of energy. F-16 can regain energy like no ones business, especially one with the better engines.

The problem with that is that I can stick my nose, pretty much where ever I want with the alpha available in the Hornet. You make a viper honor your nose and keep the fight tight, he can't get a free moment to add energy and he gets stuck on his AOA limiter. Ease up on him for a second though (especially the big mouth) and he's gone. I couldn't believe how fast I got out rated.

Lets see you could buy about 50 F-5 for the cost of 1 F-22?

You'r f_ing joking right? And do what with those 50 F-5's? Get savaged by a division of Flankers? That's about all it would take. Maybe we should've stayed with the P-51 and never progressed towards the F-86? Hell, why'd we ever move beyond the Wright Flyer?

 

[Deuce130]

Concur.

Well, since you and Magnum have never seen the inside of a 16 man MC-130 (noone has, they don't exist) I'd say that neither one of you know what you're talking about. You concurring with Mag's opinon is like me concurring that Einstein's theory of relativity is correct. I can't really do that because I have no clue what that's about. Magnum has also never seen the inside of a two person cockpit, except during training or with an engineer in the pit. I can say, without a doubt, it is possible for more than one person in the cockpit to have 100% SA on the situation at hand. What noone can have 100% SA on is what the PIC is thinking. Except of course, the PIC. What I recommend you guys do is stick to talking about the things you are familiar with and let people who fly multi-crew aircraft decide how many people can have SA at any given time. Fair?