Value of BE-90 right seat time?

[iflyjets4food]

Here's the scenario:

I was a co-pilot for a 135 outfit for about a year. This outfit operated King Air 90s and Cessna 310s. They operated them single pilot under the autopilot exemption. Some companies that we transported REQUIRED two pilots, but since the regulations didn't, I was a glorified seat warmer. We operated the airplane as a two pilot crew, however, in the same manner that we operated a part 91 King Air 350. The time in the right seat of the 350 was loggable since I was qualified as SIC, and the airplane had seating for more than 9. The time in the right seat of the 90 is not loggable though. I kept track of the time in the 90's, and I'm wondering what value 400 hours of right seat King Air 90 time would be and how I would show the value to future employers.

 

[moving2vegas]

Was the "requirement" for a two pilot crew an ops spec requirement or did the client simply ask for two pilots?

 

[falcon20driver]

You could log the 91 legs as PIC simulated instrument time if you were the flying pilot, with the actual PIC as your safety pilot.

 

[iflyjets4food]

Was the "requirement" for a two pilot crew an ops spec requirement or did the client simply ask for two pilots?

The "requirement" was not ops specs related, it was, to simplify things, the client's request. We had many clients request it. That was why I had a job, but it was not our requirement. In response to the other reply, I did log the part 91 legs because I was always given the opportunity to fly those legs, from the left seat in fact.

 

[iflyjets4food]

I'm not trying to figure out a way to log the co-pilot time. It's solid that I can't. I'm just trying to figure out a way to show that this time has some value on a resume or in an interview.

 

[Diesel]

It has no value on a resume. You can bring it up in an interview but I wouldn't other than the fact that you spent some "time learning a b90" or recieving instruction in a B90

 

[falcon20driver]

I'm not trying to figure out a way to log the co-pilot time. It's solid that I can't. I'm just trying to figure out a way to show that this time has some value on a resume or in an interview.

Like I posted earlier, hood time. You can log PIC simulated instrument time if you're rated in the aircraft and you have a safety pilot, in your case that would be the actual PIC of the flight, and the more instrument time you have the more competitive your resume will be.

 

[NoPax]

Did you have an 8410 SIC for the 90, or am I missing something?

If you don't, then you can't log it with paying passengers on board. I'd maybe argue that it may be worth something to the insurance company.

On the Job CRM training ? It couldn't hurt to have it.

If two people show up for an interview, to fill a position for a C90 pilot, and one has 400 hours 'sic' experience, and the other doesn't, I know who I'd hire..of course after making sure he didn't pay for it, or take short cuts to get to the interview.

Recently I've been lucky enough to ride along on a CJ1. I put the experience in my log book, but don't log PIC turbine time, even though I may be manipulating the controls - I haven't received any formal training and haven't been given the signoffs for it, but I do have the books and I have studied them.

 

[falcon20driver]

You have to be typed in the little Citation Jet to log PIC, you don't it the little King Air.

 

[puddlejumper]

Some companies that we transported REQUIRED two pilots, but since the regulations didn't, I was a glorified seat warmer. We operated the airplane as a two pilot crew, however, in the same manner that we operated a part 91 King Air 350.

You may want to review the 135 regulations regarding a non-crewmember operating aircraft controls. That's a no-no unless you were participating in company and FAA approved training. It's a shame, since you must have had some sort of training in the 350, that the company didn't get their POI to approve a SIC training program for 135 ops. We're trying to get that set at our company now, since we have a 90 and a 200 and if the weather is below takeoff minimums or an autopilot acts up, we can't fly them single pilot.

The right seat is a passenger seat really in a part 135 single pilot King Air. Even if you're being paid to be there, you should probably be on the manifest as a passenger and comply with TSA pax screening requirements. By the way, I'm not busting on you. I've ridden along several times on 135 flights per client requests. But really, I was just a passenger, according to the FAA. It's just something to think about.